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  1. Many people have wrote articles of how they were helped by a spell caster but I am very grateful to this great spell caster who brought my ex Husband back to me. This testimony is a true story and my name is LASANDRA. When i came in contact with this man named Dr Adoda i also saw many testimony written about him and I have also encountered many testimonies about how he has been helping others with their life. To get back with an ex and fix broken marriages is one of the most inner most feeling many people would love to experience especially as those memories with our ex always cloud our mind when someone else does some of those things our ex used to do. I was a single parent of two boys for almost 6 months and though my ex husband was not staying with me and the kids i still wish someday he will return back to me. This spell doctor i encountered known as Dr Adoda helped me with my wishes and i am happy to write on this website that my ex husband is back with me and i am very happy s

    • Many people have wrote articles of how they were helped by a spell caster but I am very grateful to this great spell caster who brought my ex Husband back to me.

      This testimony is a true story and my name is LASANDRA. When i came in contact with this man named Dr Adoda i also saw many testimony written about him and I have also encountered many testimonies about how he has been helping others with their life. To get back with an ex and fix broken marriages is one of the most inner most feeling many people would love to experience especially as those memories with our ex always cloud our mind when someone else does some of those things our ex used to do.

      I was a single parent of two boys for almost 6 months and though my ex husband was not staying with me and the kids i still wish someday he will return back to me. This spell doctor i encountered known as Dr Adoda helped me with my wishes and i am happy to write on this website that my ex husband is back with me and i am very happy s

      Lasandra, thank you for writing and explaining your situation.

      I am sorry but I am not familiar with the term “spell caster” but it seems that it would refer to someone who pronounces a “spell” on someone for some reason. Is this what it is? If not, just what is it?

      I think that you must be aware of the Scripture that reads: “When they say to you, ‘Consult the mediums and the spiritists who whisper and mutter, should not a people consult their God?’” (Isaiah 8:19a). Read also verse 20. Therefore, it would be good for you to not chase after such practices.

      I find it interesting that when God wanted to communicate with Cornelius (about his salvation), he sent a person to him (Acts 10:1ff). This is the one who spoke words by which he would be saved from sin (Acts 11:14) and not directly through the angel.

      I don’t know who this Dr. Adoda may be, but are you sure he is not a false teacher or false prophet? I don’t want to hurt you but your soul is more important and God’s glory is more important than anything else. We must be on guard against anything that would lead us astray.

      As for your former husband, I don’t know anything about your marriage. But are you sure that it was not or is not adulterous? So many relationships involve adultery (as you well know) that it is important that I ask this question. Please consider this.

      I also hope that you will consult the website (www.Truediscipleship.com) and use the Search engine to learn more. There are over 2,000 articles on it now (some are still needing to be updated and reformatted). Just type in saved, save, salvation, and the like to learn more.

      Thank you again for writing. May God bless you in your spiritual journey.

      –Richard

  2. Jeremy Belter says:

    You say a true Christian will not use a denomination name. I say a true Christian believes in Jesus Christ as the Savior from our sins.

    • Hi Jeremy,

      Yes, this is right. A true and faithful follower of Christ will want to fallow in His footsteps. The true Christian will want to do what He commands and what He wants. And a true follower of His will want to please Him in all respects. Such a person will trust in, believe in, love, and serve the crucified and risen Lord. Of course, this will also mean that he will not follow his own way regarding denominations and denominational names. It all goes back to Jesus and the record of His life and will found in our Bible, especially the new covenant writings (the New Testament). Do you believe in all of this?

  3. Daniel Dishon says:

    Hi, I have a question about 2 people living together before marriage.

    your article exclusively talks about the problems of having sex before marriage. But what if a couple lived together and just used the discipline required to not have sex until they were married? I know unthinkable right, but suppose a couple could and was on the same page about doing that. Would their ever really be a ethical problem with living together and even sleeping in the same bed if they gave themselves a simple rule to never take off there clothes or at least not take off their pants until they are one day wed?

    marriage seems like such a huge decision to make and mess up with no more information about a person than what you learn going on dates you each have time to prepare for and come to with the nicest and best version of your disposition ready to impress the other person. And I’ve seen so many marriages among people who played by all the right rules end in divorce after they start living together and find out for the first time the other person actually opens themselves up to being quite abusive and would even pull a gun on his own wife while drunk. How could I ever tell someone that lived through that with a guy they didn’t live with until after they got married that its best not to live with people until your hitched?

    I know in biblical days men never moved in with women until they were married, but they also didn’t tend to leave their parents house until they were married either, and often they really only built a room onto their parents house even then. And dating in general just wasn’t apart of the equation either, your parents arranged your marriage or you went and ‘claimed a right’ to one of your first cousins for marriage as their closest kin. And people grew into emotional and mental adults at different earlier ages. We just don’t live in that world anymore culturally and honestly should never go back. Our culture has its own norms with its own unique set of pro’s and con’s our courtship and marriage choosing rituals need to accommodate for.

    I’ve yet to find a scriptural answer to a question like this. And that’s not unexpected since dating wasn’t a thing at all in those days for scripture to speak on. The best I can do is just string together some generic principles of wisdom and rationally apply them the best I can to the social situations our modern times makes possible and even normalizes that Jacob and his 12 sons never would have faced. And the best I can reason their are a lot of practical things a person can learn about themselves and their partner if they lived together that would be useful to know before getting married, and that the same discipline and set of moral ethical traditional values required for a couple to willingly not have sex while going out on romantic dates that puts them in situations they are alone together should be values that could hold out living under the same roof too. But I also practically observe that a lot of christian’s who I thought I understood to value abstinence until marriage ended up getting pregnant with a baby with a guy they were not living with and only dating at the time. So such required discipline and integrity in acting upon moral principals is obviously pretty rare when it comes to sex.

    • Hi Daniel,

      Thank you so much for writing and expressing your concern. Indeed, meeting a person and the decision to marry are huge, monumental issues and this relationship should not be entered into flippantly. I’ll try to address your concerns and make brief comments on your original comments below.

      Hi, I have a question about 2 people living together before marriage.

      your article exclusively talks about the problems of having sex before marriage. But what if a couple lived together and just used the discipline required to not have sex until they were married? I know unthinkable right, but suppose a couple could and was on the same page about doing that. Would their ever really be a ethical problem with living together and even sleeping in the same bed if they gave themselves a simple rule to never take off there clothes or at least not take off their pants until they are one day wed?

      Daniel, there are many issues involved in this and they are all important. For instance, we are to be “above reproach” (1 Timothy 3:2) and “men of dignity” (vv. 8, 10). Of course, this is said of elders and servants (deacons), but the principle holds true of all.

      We do know that we are to be examples to others (1 Timothy 4:12 and Titus 2:7). Do you really think that following through with your suggestion would be a good example to others, that they might follow?

      Probably the greatest problem would be the matter of sex. Even if two people were to get into bed with each other and not intend to touch, could they do this? Unless they are 101 years old, in no way could they do this with a pure mind.

      And think of the issue of seeing another person with partial clothes. We know that the man is to keep his mind pure (Matthew 5:27-28), and I can’t see how this could be done. Within a day or two, the good intentions would be gone and they would be together.

      Besides, would you want your bed partner to be given to another person after being in bed with you? Of course not. And neither should you be with a bed partner and then that person goes to another man. This has been the case before, as you know.

      marriage seems like such a huge decision to make and mess up with no more information about a person than what you learn going on dates you each have time to prepare for and come to with the nicest and best version of your disposition ready to impress the other person. And I’ve seen so many marriages among people who played by all the right rules end in divorce after they start living together and find out for the first time the other person actually opens themselves up to being quite abusive and would even pull a gun on his own wife while drunk. How could I ever tell someone that lived through that with a guy they didn’t live with until after they got married that its best not to live with people until your hitched?

      It seems that the relationship that you are envisioning is something different from what God wants, as revealed in Scripture.

      True Christians don’t abuse another. They love others (1 Cor. 16:14). True Christians would not lift a finger against another person. They are non-resistant. There would be no knives or guns or weapons in the house. They would have unselfishness, kindness, and gentleness. In other words, what you are suggesting would be something that is to be worked out before marriage. There is no “trial period” for the two persons have had many years of practice in manifesting the fruit of the Spirit.

      I know in biblical days men never moved in with women until they were married, but they also didn’t tend to leave their parents house until they were married either, and often they really only built a room onto their parents house even then. And dating in general just wasn’t apart of the equation either, your parents arranged your marriage or you went and ‘claimed a right’ to one of your first cousins for marriage as their closest kin. And people grew into emotional and mental adults at different earlier ages. We just don’t live in that world anymore culturally and honestly should never go back. Our culture has its own norms with its own unique set of pro’s and con’s our courtship and marriage choosing rituals need to accommodate for.

      Yes, you are right that we must not have the “arranged marriage” as a practice. Besides, parents would generally not even be saved, thus would not have the mind of Christ in such things (1 Cor. 2:16).

      And you are right that “dating” was unknown before the modern era. Dating can be one of the most wicked practices available since this just gives practice in breaking up and going to another. Daniel, if we don’t even kiss or embrace until marriage, this would be good. This is the way that we did it. No kissing and no physical contact until marriage. It works!
      I’ve yet to find a scriptural answer to a question like this. And that’s not unexpected since dating wasn’t a thing at all in those days for scripture to speak on. The best I can do is just string together some generic principles of wisdom and rationally apply them the best I can to the social situations our modern times makes possible and even normalizes that Jacob and his 12 sons never would have faced.

      My guess is that you would be able to list 10 or 15 or maybe 20 reasons why what you are proposing would not work. It would be a very foolish move. A very foolish and unworkable and lustful alternative to Biblical “courtship.”
      And the best I can reason their are a lot of practical things a person can learn about themselves and their partner if they lived together that would be useful to know before getting married,
      I understand what you mean, Daniel. But this is not only workable, but unscriptural. It doesn’t take into consideration Biblical instructions or real life emotional entanglemens.

      and that the same discipline and set of moral ethical traditional values required for a couple to willingly not have sex while going out on romantic dates that puts them in situations they are alone together should be values that could hold out living under the same roof too. But I also practically observe that a lot of christian’s who I thought I understood to value abstinence until marriage ended up getting pregnant with a baby with a guy they were not living with and only dating at the time. So such required discipline and integrity in acting upon moral principals is obviously pretty rare when it comes to sex.
      Daniel, it does work, but even this is a pragmatic way of reasoning. We go to Scripture and also understand the inner workings of our minds and bodies. This should be sufficient to run from what you are proposing.

      Please check out the many articles in the website. See what they are saying.
      I can’t really reply with email, which I might prefer, for my computer has been broken for over 3 weeks now. And also email. I do hope that this present communication works.

      –Richard

  4. You are so ignorant about science. And LOGIC and REASON.

    I don’t expect you’re willing to study and learn.

    It’s sad many accept the nonsense you spout.

    Not much more I can say.

    • Hello Gianni…. Thank you for writing. It is true that I don’t know very much about science. But I do know something and it is encouraging to know that God has placed all we need to know before our eyes–whether in the realm of science or any other field of knowledge.

      Maybe another thing that you should keep in mind is that you and I will be gone in a few years but what God has caused to be written in His inspired, infallible, authoritative Word will be something that lasts on and on (1 Peter 1:23-25).

      So when we are gone and no more (on earth), the truth of God’s word will continue. If anything that God teaches will stand, the words of fallible and arrogant man will fall. It is much better to be on God’s side than that of fallible man–that has been proven false again and again.

      In other words, we judge the fallible words of man by reference to the infallible words of Almighty God. We can and should know something about science, but that science is often false. And surely God our Creator would want us to reject false science and only accept the true science. And true science agrees with what God has already revealed in the Scriptures.

      Gianni, please check out further articles on the website that may be of interest and also of help. Just go to http://www.Truediscipleship.com.

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  6. I want to thank you for your article entitled “Overcoming sin through Christ: Hopelessness and Despair” because I had never really considered it to be sin.

    I am walking with the Lord through the wilderness and though I know this is an upward journey I have gone through a lot these last few years and things are beginning to take their toll. The Lord has placed me with relatives that I would rather not be with – this trial in particular has confirmed their reprobate state. I have become the most talked about, the most gossiped about, and the most insulted in many ways. I realize why the Lord has placed me here and cannot claim that it is not merited and is being used in order to instruct and correct. But it got the best of me last night and this morning when I found out that a cousin went and checked on something belonging to me – not because she wanted to help me but because she is meddlesome. In any case, I had given the case to the Lord and when confronted with it this morning I just was not ready to deal with what she said and allowed it to make me angry, and as a result, I didn’t win the internal struggle between believing the lie or running to Christ and throwing myself at his feet. As a result, I despaired and prematurely broke my fast and then I nearly gave up all hope until reading a sermon on despair from an old divine and then reading your article.

    I lost everything in my life. My only child passed away, my grandchildren were taken from me, I lost my home and all my possessions that I had in storage and my job. I have no intimate connections with any family member, no church (nor do I know any Christians) and sometimes it gets really hard to deal with…and difficult to maintain the right perspective. I am learning to think first before acting but there are times when I reach a point where it becomes a real struggle and I lose and my peace with God is destroyed.

    Despair is a lonesome, melancholy place. I just feel that if I don’t have Jesus, I don’t have anything yet I seem always to be falling. All I can do is hope that I am forgiven (his mercy endureth forever) and learn from it and your article has gone a long way in helping me to do that.

    Thank you again.

    • Dani, greetings in the precious name of the Lord Jesus.

      I’m so glad that you wrote and told me about yourself and your situation. I am also glad that you were able to find the article that you mentioned on hopelessness and despair.

      Remember that we are never so despised or so rejected or so without necessities that we are beyond God and beyond hope in Him. I think that the many scriptures that speak about hope and what it does would be just the thing that you need as you pass through the “valley of the shadow of death” as it might be called.

      Do you have a concordance? This is a book that allows you to go to a particular word and find where that word may be found in Scripture. Of course, you could read through the Bible, but that would be many pages. But if you can use a concordance and look up “hope” or the like, you could find a wealth of information on this.

      Of course, “hope” often refers to a firm confidence in the fact that God has raised Jesus from the dead and gives to us a Home in heaven, but it can also refer to personal distress in which we can find hope. Please do that. or just put in “hope” and similar words into Google and it will offer you many examples. Look all of this up and put it into a notebook. Even writing out the dozens of verses on hope will help you.

      I can identify with you to some extent. Years ago, I lost my house and began to live in my car. Then it dropped to 32 degrees and it was hard to sleep there,k plus I couldn’t find a good place to park. Eventually I was able to sleep overnight at work. This went on for 4 1/2 years until I finally found a small place in which to live–but had to keep things in storage.

      Those were some very significant times. I felt close to God and learned so much–that would have been nearly impossible without this distress. There was also loneliness and financial difficulties. My life seemed to be upside down. Maybe this is what you are feeling like now.

      I do hope that you will go to the website (www.Truediscipleship.com.). Type in whatever word you have in your mind. I think you will find some articles dealing with this.

      Most important, Dani, is whether you truly know God through Jesus Christ. Many professing “Christians” are not truly saved from sin. There are many different articles dealing with this on my website. Especially go to “Our Highest Priority” and this will offer you many articles. If you have never been forgiven and born again of the Spirit and water, then you must come to God in this way. He will then work in you and help you to endure the bad treatment that you mention. If you must continue there, you can do it if you are assured that You know God and He knows you. He will help you to persevere through the difficulties and keep a kind and loving disposition.

      Look up the fruit of the Spirit on the website and also look up the “works of the flesh” or “deeds of the flesh.” This will give you a couple hundred items to look up and study.

      I’m concerned about you, Dani, and plan to pray for you as I finish this little message. May God bless you in every way. Let me hear from you again.

      In the name of Jesus our Lord and Savior,
      Richard

  7. R. A. Williamson says:

    Richard, How do you keep up with these letters!?
    I too have become a maverick of sorts when it comes to Bible teachings which are opposed to “main stream” Christianity. As for immersion, it is sad indeed that people just don’t “get” the simplicity of the meaning, and rather call it “legalism.” But the worst is that sprinkling and pouring is not seen a such. It is NOT the symbol, but the meaning attached to that symbol that counts. Can anyone explain to us how sprinkling or pouring relates to “death,” “burial,” and “resurrection” of Christ? Of course not, yet they cling to “traditions of men.” Sad, very sad. If one truly believes that Jesus IS the Christ, the anointed Son of God, then one would be willing to “die” with him and be “buried” with him and look forward to “resurrection” with him in the last day “at his coming.” Rm 6, ICor 15. Seems rather elementary. No?

    R. Williamson

    • Dear friend, Thank you so much for your input and comments. I fully agree with you and your views on this. Along with you, we could wish that all people–all readers–would be able to agree with Biblical teaching on all subjects, especially with this matter of coming to Christ in submissive faith expressed in baptism. May God bless you!

  8. Dear Brother Richard,

    I appreciate your no nonsense “here’s what God says” approach, coupled with a meek and peacable spirit! Discovering your site continues to be a great blessing to me.

    I was encouraged as I saw article titles that brought back memories of decades of my own instruction of others in these same topics.

    Truly, there is “nothing new under the sun”. The same struggles emerge.

    Thank you for your faithful stewardship of God’s truths.

    • Hello Frank,

      Thanks so much for writing and expressing your appreciation. I hope that you will continue to read and consider the various items that we have uploaded on the site. Hundreds of the articles need to be reformatted yet so I hope that you will be able to “endure” this inconvenience. We surely do want to speak the truth in love to all who will listen or read (cf. Ephesians 4:15), for God’s Word definitely is the truth (John 17:17). May God bless you!

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    • Dear John…. Greetings to you and thank you so much for writing. It is good to receive your words and to know that you are seeking the Lord and devoted to following His will. God has graciously given us His inspired, infalliable Word for our enlightenment and growth. May we both pursue God and His truth at all times. May He bless you abundantly! (2 Timothy 2:15; 3:15-17; 4:1-4).

  10. Hi, my name is [Truly]. I came across your article on deliberate sinning, and was seeking some guidance with the issues I’m dealing with. I agree 100% with what you have said about sinning deliberate. I have read and read and read every scripture I can find in the bible about willful sinning, and this is where my problem lies. See, ive been in Christian school, and in church most of my life. My family has never fully been committed to God, but what I call riding the fence. Talking about God, saying they believe in God, but no real fruit and in and out of church. My family split when I was younger. My mom always kept us in christian school, but never consistent in church. By the time I was able to drive I would drive myself to church for every service, but it this church was much more liberal and not so much holiness teachings. But, the point is, I grew up knowing the basic way I should live and what was right and wrong for the most part. I cant tell you how many times ive prayed and asked the Lord’s forgiveness from a very young age, but yet continue to live my own way. From a very young age I got addicted to pornography and masturbation and as I got older that turned into intimacy with boys of course. I stayed in church, and im a singer and was still singing in church as if I was living right, and would pray and cry im the altar because i wantes forgiveness, but I wouldnt surrendee my life to the Lord and stop the sinning. I had no guidance at home. I wish more than anything in the world I would have had strict holiness parents who would have taught me of the dangers of doing this and not made it so easy for me to get caught up in these temptations (that is still no excuse for my actions, i just wish things would have been different) but I continued to live this way knowingly all through my teenage years. At one point I was dating a guy and i believe with all my heart God told me to get rid of Him, quit doing the things I was doing and surrender to Him. I did get rid of him, and asked God to forgive me and promise I wouldnt go back to that lifestyle. I wanted to really live right, but even after that I struggled to read my word and pray and kept getting caught back into things i knew werent of God. Then I met my now husband. Eventually i fell back in to the same trap. Even though we both wanted to do things right. We knowingly made a lot of poor decisions and I even lived with him for a while, because I dealt with a lot of fear and he made me feel safe ( I know it still wasnt right at all) I kept going to the altar praying and crying and trying to make things right, cause I didnt want to live this way. I also still had an addiction to pornography and masturbation. I was a mess. All the while still in church pretending to live right, but not living that way at all, knowingly sinning in disobedience, but i felt so bound i couldnt escape it. 2 years later my husband and i got married. We loved each other and we wanted to make things right and not live in that sin anymore. I still struggled with masturbation for a while after getting married, then I had my daughter 4 years ago. At that point I said enough is enough. I am so sick of giving into my flesh. Not really giving God my whole heart. I wanted so badly for her to grow up and live for the Lord, and I knew it was up to me to truly make things right with God and truly let Him work in my heart and change me. I asked for forgiveness once again, and i truly believe God heales me from that. Ive never struggled with that issue again, in fact, I absolutely despise it. Even to the point I really despise even being with my husband intimately, because I was bound by this for so long and knew I was wrong. I was trying my best to live right, and the church I was now in was more holiness. My husbands dad is the pastor there. 15 months after I had my daughter, I had my son. Life was so busy and so hard to really put God first and I did a horrible job and made many excuses, but i wanted to really live for Him. Then I was reading my word one day and was reading in hebrews about how it was impossible after being enlightened, etc not to brought back to repentance, and if we sin willfully there was no longer a sacrifice, and about esau who sold his birthright and afterwards crying for repentance but couldnt find it, and terror came over me. I could feel the forces of hell all around me. It got to the point I couldnt even take care of my children anymore. I talk to many people who Im not who i use to be and if I desire to live for the Lord and repent He has forgiven me and i need to stop living in the past. I felt much better and try to let it go, but I still find myself praying for repentance every single day. I still struggle with knowing if im truly saved. I still feel fear of judgement day. Its so hard to read my bible and pray because of the fear every time i open the word, because it seems like everything I read just confirms Ive went to far. Ive tried to repent of everything i can with tears. I want so badly to really truly live for the Lord and make things right. I see my sins and how awful they were and want more than anything to live right and holy. Ive asked and asked for forgiveness. Ive been rebaptised within the past year. My heart really desires to do right and serve Him completely and ive tried to let go of this fear, but how can you just ignore what the bible says about what happens when you do those things. I feel like ove lost my chance. Ive kissed my salvation goodbye. I pray and pray and feel like God doesnt answer to just help me know ive been forgiven. Of course I afraid of the consequences of my sin and hell, who wouldnt be? But its more than that. I want to live for Him and I want my family to truly live for Him, but I just dont know what to do. Do I just except ive ruined myself and give up or do i have faith and believe God has forgiven me if I desire to do right and am not that person anymore. I grew up thinking I was just a weak christian and i could do these things and ask forgiveness and everything was gonna be ok. I was so naive and young and wish so badly I had never done any of those things. I wish so bad i could go back and relive all those years and truly live them for the Lord. Im sorry to reveal so much about myself and my thoughts are all over the place. I just wanted to give you a little understanding of my past to understand better. I just dont know what to do. Im older and wiser and see things so much clearer than i did, and dont feel like that person anymore but i still feel like theres nothing i can do to change my past and its too late for me. I just need someone to be honest with me either way and help me either see where i can find grace so i can except it in full faith and move on or just be honest with me that ive done what ive done and have to suffer or it. Im so afraid i blaspemed the Holy Spirit not even realizing it by not giving into the conviction at the time. I dont know please help me understand.

  11. Hi, my name is [Truly}. I came across your article on deliberate sinning, and was seeking some guidance with the issues I’m dealing with. I agree 100% with what you have said about sinning deliberate. I have read and read and read every scripture I can find in the bible about willful sinning, and this is where my problem lies. See, ive been in Christian school, and in church most of my life. My family has never fully been committed to God, but what I call riding the fence. Talking about God, saying they believe in God, but no real fruit and in and out of church. My family split when I was younger. My mom always kept us in christian school, but never consistent in church. By the time I was able to drive I would drive myself to church for every service, but it this church was much more liberal and not so much holiness teachings. But, the point is, I grew up knowing the basic way I should live and what was right and wrong for the most part. I cant tell you how many times ive prayed and asked the Lord’s forgiveness from a very young age, but yet continue to live my own way. From a very young age I got addicted to pornography and masturbation and as I got older that turned into intimacy with boys of course. I stayed in church, and im a singer and was still singing in church as if I was living right, and would pray and cry im the altar because i wantes forgiveness, but I wouldnt surrendee my life to the Lord and stop the sinning. I had no guidance at home. I wish more than anything in the world I would have had strict holiness parents who would have taught me of the dangers of doing this and not made it so easy for me to get caught up in these temptations (that is still no excuse for my actions, i just wish things would have been different) but I continued to live this way knowingly all through my teenage years. At one point I was dating a guy and i believe with all my heart God told me to get rid of Him, quit doing the things I was doing and surrender to Him. I did get rid of him, and asked God to forgive me and promise I wouldnt go back to that lifestyle. I wanted to really live right, but even after that I struggled to read my word and pray and kept getting caught back into things i knew werent of God. Then I met my now husband. Eventually i fell back in to the same trap. Even though we both wanted to do things right. We knowingly made a lot of poor decisions and I even lived with him for a while, because I dealt with a lot of fear and he made me feel safe ( I know it still wasnt right at all) I kept going to the altar praying and crying and trying to make things right, cause I didnt want to live this way. I also still had an addiction to pornography and masturbation. I was a mess. All the while still in church pretending to live right, but not living that way at all, knowingly sinning in disobedience, but i felt so bound i couldnt escape it. 2 years later my husband and i got married. We loved each other and we wanted to make things right and not live in that sin anymore. I still struggled with masturbation for a while after getting married, then I had my daughter 4 years ago. At that point I said enough is enough. I am so sick of giving into my flesh. Not really giving God my whole heart. I wanted so badly for her to grow up and live for the Lord, and I knew it was up to me to truly make things right with God and truly let Him work in my heart and change me. I asked for forgiveness once again, and i truly believe God heales me from that. Ive never struggled with that issue again, in fact, I absolutely despise it. Even to the point I really despise even being with my husband intimately, because I was bound by this for so long and knew I was wrong. I was trying my best to live right, and the church I was now in was more holiness. My husbands dad is the pastor there. 15 months after I had my daughter, I had my son. Life was so busy and so hard to really put God first and I did a horrible job and made many excuses, but i wanted to really live for Him. Then I was reading my word one day and was reading in hebrews about how it was impossible after being enlightened, etc not to brought back to repentance, and if we sin willfully there was no longer a sacrifice, and about esau who sold his birthright and afterwards crying for repentance but couldnt find it, and terror came over me. I could feel the forces of hell all around me. It got to the point I couldnt even take care of my children anymore. I talk to many people who Im not who i use to be and if I desire to live for the Lord and repent He has forgiven me and i need to stop living in the past. I felt much better and try to let it go, but I still find myself praying for repentance every single day. I still struggle with knowing if im truly saved. I still feel fear of judgement day. Its so hard to read my bible and pray because of the fear every time i open the word, because it seems like everything I read just confirms Ive went to far. Ive tried to repent of everything i can with tears. I want so badly to really truly live for the Lord and make things right. I see my sins and how awful they were and want more than anything to live right and holy. Ive asked and asked for forgiveness. Ive been rebaptised within the past year. My heart really desires to do right and serve Him completely and ive tried to let go of this fear, but how can you just ignore what the bible says about what happens when you do those things. I feel like ove lost my chance. Ive kissed my salvation goodbye. I pray and pray and feel like God doesnt answer to just help me know ive been forgiven. Of course I afraid of the consequences of my sin and hell, who wouldnt be? But its more than that. I want to live for Him and I want my family to truly live for Him, but I just dont know what to do. Do I just except ive ruined myself and give up or do i have faith and believe God has forgiven me if I desire to do right and am not that person anymore. I grew up thinking I was just a weak christian and i could do these things and ask forgiveness and everything was gonna be ok. I was so naive and young and wish so badly I had never done any of those things. I wish so bad i could go back and relive all those years and truly live them for the Lord. Im sorry to reveal so much about myself and my thoughts are all over the place. I just wanted to give you a little understanding of my past to understand better. I just dont know what to do. Im older and wiser and see things so much clearer than i did, and dont feel like that person anymore but i still feel like theres nothing i can do to change my past and its too late for me. I just need someone to be honest with me either way and help me either see where i can find grace so i can except it in full faith and move on or just be honest with me that ive done what ive done and have to suffer or it. Im so afraid i blaspemed the Holy Spirit not even realizing it by not giving into the conviction at the time. Idk please help me understand.

    • Dear “TRULY,” (I am going to use this name rather than the name that you gave me online, which will serve to keep things anonymous.)
      Greetings in Jesus’ name. I’m glad that you were willing to share your past and present with me. It must be very hard to do this, in some respects, but it is a way to expose oneself and find answers. And you (and we all) need answers, desperately.
      I’m sorry that I am replying a little late. I was gone part of the time and then was involved. But let me share with you some things from God’s Word.
      1. First, I’m very glad to know that you do believe that God’s Word is absolute truth and is God’s message to us. This is the very basis of truth (see John 17:17 and Matthew 4:4).
      2. God knows all about us and what we’ve done, as well as where we’ve been and what our thoughts are. Jesus “searchers the minds and hearts” and He “will give to each one” according to his/her deeds (Revelation 2:23). Of course, this is true of God as well. This offers comfort in knowing that God knows us, but it is also a warning if we somehow irrationally think that God doesn’t know (Proverbs 15:3).
      3. Probably a lot of people have responded to you and they have told you a lot of things, so I don’t know what all that would be. But God both knows you and He loves you. He wants the best for you and wants you to come to full repentance and find full salvation (2 Peter 3:9).
      4. But, the other side of that is that God doesn’t take sin lightly. He is also a God of justice and righteousness, and His wrath comes on those who refuse to repent (Romans 1:18). Thus, he definitely wants you to fully repent and turn away from your past and present sins.
      5. Question: Do you now believe that you have repented of your sins, including the ones that you mentioned in your message?
      6. You can look up “repent” and “repentance” on my website (www.Truediscipleship.com) and you will find a number of articles dealing with this very important theme. It would be good for you to read those articles.
      7. In your message to me, you said that last year you were rebaptized. May I ask why you did this? If your first “baptism” was defective, it would have been invalid, and there would have been a need to be rebaptized. However, I think that most people are really confused about baptism and the meaning of baptism.
      8. I hope that you will look up “baptize” and “baptism” in the search engine in my website. You will find a couple dozen articles on this important subject—and you should read what has been written. You may be surprised.
      9. I know a sodomite/homosexual who refuses to think he can repent and be forgiven by God. He just thinks that his sin is unforgivable and he will spend eternity in hell. I’ve pointed out to him that if he truly repents (have a change of heart that leads to a change of relationship and action), God will forgive him. God is a forgiven God and longs to forgive him—and you also.
      10. But God is also just and righteous. He will not play games with us, but is utterly serious about the nature of sin and the need to repent. But God is also merciful and will forgive that man and He will forgive you also.
      11. This is what I suggest, on the basis of God’s Word:
      a. Read God’s Word to see the nature of God—His justice and righteousness and holiness, and also His mercy and grace.
      b. Look at your life and fully repent of your sins. (The same is true regarding your husband.)
      c. Determine that you will turn your back on all of the sins that you mentioned, including sins of action, sins of words, sins of the heart.
      d. Determine whether you were genuinely baptized, according to the words of Jesus and the apostles, and whether your husband was truly baptized also.
      e. If you have been truly saved in the past (and that depends on how you answer the previous questions), then you need to seek God’s forgiveness in prayer. Of course, you need to read 1 John 1:8-10 and 2:1-6.
      f. Accept God’s forgiveness if you have searched your heart (see Psalm 139:23-24) and if you are true before the Lord. He can see if you are sincere and if you are planning to do wrong again.
      g. Fortify yourself so that you don’t fall into this sin again—and all related sins of heart and soul (see 2 Corinthians 7:1). Run from all expressions of sin and refuse to sin in the future (1 Corinthians 10:13).
      h. Maybe you have a close friend who knows something about God, His Word, His forgiveness, and the nature of sin. It would be good to be able to share with her and tell her what you are going through. Perhaps there is someone who is struggling with sin and you can help her in some way. (And in the process, you would be helped.)
      i. Constantly die to self and determine to live for God. This is actually part of the meaning of baptism (see Romans 6:1-23). It would be good to memorize and daily quote Romans 6:1-13. And Romans 8:1-39 would be another portion to memorize. Just memorize one or two verse and add a couple each week until you can quote all of those two chapters. Then go over those two chapters every day, quoting with meaning.
      j. Maintain a rich prayer life and tell God everything about your past and your present. He understands and He loves you. Openly share all with Him. And draw upon the power of the Holy Spirit to overcome the flesh (Romans 8:6-14, 26-27; Galatians 5:16-26).

      TRULY, I hope that these thoughts will be of help to you. Although I am answering your message on the website, others don’t know who you are or where you live. I hope that this will be okay.
      May God bless you. I must pray for you and seek God’s blessing on you.
      Sincerely in Jesus,

      Richard
      P.S. I decided to take out your given name and call you “Truly.” I hope that is okay.

  12. Hi Richard,
    Just for the record, the poem which I shared (ONCE AND FOR ALL) does not reflect a comprehensive and current theology meant to spark a debate, but rather an evolution of understanding as God revealed to me the absolute and total absurdity of me trying to not only accomplish but maintain the works necessary for salvation as though we were still under the old dispensation. As you also came out of the Lutheran tradition, I need not remind you of the corporate confession of sin which begins each service and concludes with the declaration of “the entire forgiveness of all your sins” as though this methodology were necessary to keep your slate clean with God. Whether purposely or not, this leaves one with a perception of a righteousness obtained through works of our own (confession) which we could then boast about, instead of solely being justified by grace through faith! The good part of this ongoing process is that it fulfills the purpose of the Law in identifying sin and serving as our schoolmaster to lead us to Christ alone Who came not to abolish the Law but to fulfill the just requirement of it on our behalves if we would only believe and receive Him and His finished work at CALVARY as our one and only means to be saved. This was indeed accomplished once and for all some 2000 years ago and it is through the ongoing growth of the realization of the height, depth, and breadth of His love for us (those forgiven much will love much) that we gratefully, and not legalistically, keep His commandments as God’s goodness, without even a taint of our own best motives, continues to lead us to repentance as we undoubtedly and without reservation attest, “Not to us O Lord, not to us, but to You be the glory”!

    • Dear Marvin, thanks again for writing.

      Several points that could be mentioned here. What kind of faith are you speaking about when you say that we are saved by grace through faith? The faith that the NT speaks of is an active faith, an obedient faith, a submissive faith that is willing to obey all that God commands. See John 3:36 (NASB), 5:31; 1 John 2:17; many others.

      Second, when you say that we are to obey the Law, I assume that you are referring to the Law of Moses. The trouble with this is that no Lutheran I know of obeys this law, particularly the 4th commandment about keeping the Sabbath holy. (The Lutherans and Catholics would say the 3rd commandment.) You know the many teachings that would say that we are not under the Law for salvation or even for living (Colossians 2:16-17; etc.

      I think that you may have a serious problem with faith itself. Although Luther taught that even infants needed to have faith to be saved (Mark 16:15-16), we know that a baby can’t have such faith. It takes a certain amount of maturity to have this knowledgeable, submissive, informed faith to be saved (John 3:15-18).

      Marvin, it is better to give up all of the false teachings of Martin Luther and the Lutheran Church and go back to the New Testament itself. This is the way of salvation–the only way.

      May God bless you…

      Richard

  13. Thank you so much for your ministry of the Word, i’ve been blessed by this site!! May grace and peace continue to be with you as you serve the Lord Jesus. x

  14. Dear Richard,
    Thank you so much for your article of “Why I Left the Lutheran Church”. I was born and raised Lutheran and, in the proud tradition of Luther himself, my parents dared not take me anywhere without first bringing me to the baptismal font during my initial weeks of life. It was there I was later taught that I received the down payment of my salvation, the Holy Spirit, and, therefore, became a child of God without my consent or knowledge. To me, that makes no sense at all of the God of the Bible who invites us to “Come, let us discuss this” (Isaiah 1:18), not to mention violating the gift of free will so graciously bestowed upon each and every one of us. And just like you, I became quite disturbed when I learned that others who accept this teaching believe that God miraculously gives faith to the infant who cannot possibly understand in order that the scripture, “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved” (Mark 16:16), can be upheld with any sense of credibility. This indoctrination (for lake of a better word) of flesh and blood became the sinking sand of my foundation, as God the Father had yet to reveal to me the Chief Cornerstone, which the builders rejected (Matthew 21:42), and, just as Paul feared then, I too fear that, “As the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your minds may be corrupted from a complete and pure devotion to Christ” (II Corinthians 11:3).
    John 1:12 from the Amplified Bible says, “But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the right (the authority, the privilege) to become children of God, that is to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name”. In other words, salvation comes, not through a ritual, but through a Name, “For everyone who calls on the Name of the Lord will be saved” (Romans 10:13). It is my earnest prayer that the Holy Spirit will otherwise convince all those precious souls who hold unbelief in the “Name above all names” (Phil 2:9) before it’s too late!

    • Marvin, I so much appreciate your comments. You eloquently described the situation and I can see that God in His mercy and grace, led you out of the denomination of your birth–just as He did me.

      I hope that you will continue to read articles on the website, besides the one that you found on why I left Lutheranism. I think that there are about 2,000 of them now, although I am still reformatting many of them after bringing all of them from a previous website.

      Many of them address the issues around the Lutheran Church, although Luther may not be mentioned, per se, in the articles. For example, there is a whole series on the United Methodist Church, some of which would apply to the Lutheran Church as well.

      I wonder where you are now in your thinking? Thank you again for making contact and may our gracious God bless you in every way!

  15. I am so glad that I have found this Website. I was raised in the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod, however, in 1978 (when I was 18 years of age), Jesus Christ revealed himself to me through means other than my local church body, as the One who died on the cross for my sins. I knew at that moment that I was a born-again child of His (completely forgiven for all of my sins). That is the time when I know that is when I became a Christian (I reported that to my Pastor but was accused of blaspheme against the Holy Spirit for denouncing my infant Baptism). Although I stayed with the Lutheran Church until my early 40’s (please don’t ask me why), I battled with the fact that my Christian Faith and what I read in the bible did not line up in many ways by what “my” Lutheran teachings. Being a “member” of the Lutheran Church had a strong hold on me until my early 40’s when my wife and I started going to a non-denominational church. After reading Acts 19:1-5, I knew that I needed to be baptized as the bible commands. I was baptized in, around 2003. I found your website after looking for any kind of dialogue from an X-Lutheran. I am a follower of Christ today. While I have left the chains of the Lutheran Denomination some 15 years ago, I am currently attending one (non-member status) since I take my aging 89 year old Mother (semi-staunch Lutheran who has put up with my “rebelness” for years) there every Sunday and struggle my way through the service.

    • Greetings Tim!

      I’m so glad that you found our website and decided to write. I appreciate reading of your struggle and pursuit of God and His will regarding the Lutheran Church and where you should be now.

      Tim, I wonder how much you have read of my articles on the TrueDiscipleship.com website? You will find many different articles (there are about 1,800 of them) that you should find interesting, enlightening, and helpful.

      One of the things that you will find (if you read far enough) will be the fact that we should never, never compromise our faith in God and violate the will of God found in His Word. (See 1 Corinthians 14:37). This is very serious (Matthew 7:13-14, 21-23).

      I realize that you want to please and bless your mother who is aged and is a dedicated Lutheran. However, if you find that it is wrong and sinful to partake of Lutheranism–in any form or fashion–I think that you will choose to “go all the way” and choose Jesus Christ above your own dear mother (see especially Matthew 10:37, also vv. 32-38).

      I wonder what would happen if you were to explain your Biblical convictions and kindly explain that you can no longer support Lutheranism or even promote it by taking your mother each week? It might show her that you are willing to put Jesus before even close family ties.

      As you read more of the articles, surely you will find many dozens or even a hundred that would address various aspects of denominationalism (including Lutheranism, infant pouring, church government, church names, etc.). This should help you further in your own growth.

      Let me know how it goes and what you are learning. May God bless you!

      –Richard

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  17. Richard all your ungodly rules about baptism has turned Jesus into the law giver. You have so many rules regulations I don’t even recognize Jesus as the Prince of grace . That lutherans know If I went to one of your churches you’ve turned Jesus into Moses. Baptism is not about laws its about being saved from Gods laws its a means of grace. As the bible says the law came through Moses truth in grace came through Jesus Christ. You turned turned baptism into Christ into all law you have to be a certain age you have to be submerged you have to confess your faith in a way that meets adults approval. You won’t get a real lutheran any where near your baptism into Moses .Moses did not die for us. Moses did not live perfect for us …Jesus did .im not ever being baptised into your Mosesjesus. The amount of water does not make us burried With Christ Gods powerful word working in the water does. I’ve been baptised as a babe into the bible’s Jesus with those 3 little hand fuels of water. You can keep your law giver Jesus I’m to lutheran to be intrested in him.

    • I know that you are angry with Moses and the Law of God that he gave on Sinai (Exodus 20). It is true that we are not under this law. But we must obey Jesus to show our love (see John 14:15, 21-24) and our faith (James 2:14-26). Jesus became the author of eternal salvation to the one who obeys Him (Hebrews 5:9). Please don’t demean or make fun of God’s Word as given through Jesus Christ. We will face His words one day (John 12:48) and then we will know how important it was that we believe and obey Him!

  18. Martin Luther showed people where his beliefs were written in the bible you can’t even show me where Jesus says one must be submersed to be baptised i think that why your parents were Lutheran and didn’t believe like you.

    • Robert, you know that Jesus our Lord and Savior plainly said that “He who believes and is immersed shall be saved” (Mark 16:16). This makes it very, very, very important. What does this say for one who refuses to obey the Lord Jesus in this? Especially, it would be hard for one who knows better, like you, and still refuses to obey the Lord Jesus. I encourage you to humble yourself. Be willing to give up false Lutheran theology and submit to the Son of God.

      By the way, I think you are aware that Luther himself immersed his son for the forgiveness of his sins! Yes, Luther was wrong about his baptismal regeneration and wrong about “baby baptism,” but at first he agreed that baptism was immersion. (Later he changed his mind.)

  19. I can just about imagine the tough time you would have with a clc synod pastor as the points you make even I know are not biblical. I guess that’s why Lutherans don’t need to have web sites that attack other Christians even the worst of them can spot dumb human made theology like yours.

    • We must be sure we submit to truth and follow it, regardless of whether a Lutheran, a Baptist, or a Catholic may present it. But this doesn’t mean that we should be a Lutheran, a Baptist, or a Catholic. Whatever God says, we must do.

  20. Your the foolish one Richard. That likes to hand it out but can’t take the heat of baptist crazy way of interpeting. So you can twist them according to their reasons. I m just showing you how stupid there interpreting is. Using the same scriptures they use. You can’t really believe your parents and grand parents would be proud of you. They aren’t there in heaven and still believe Lutheran. Just like Claus Harms . who said . the way of the wicked will end as the psalms say.

    • Robert, we should learn from Baptists, from Lutherans, and from all others. Often we must reject what they teach or say if this doesn’t agree with Scripture. But we must be humble enough to accept truth whoever may present it.

  21. Your parents and grand parents would enjoy seeing a baptist preacher choking as he coming straight way out of the water as Paul did when he baptized the eunic. Acts 38 .hey if that’s how you insist interpreting the passage your preachers need to practice what they preach.and start baptising under the water to .me think your Lutheran parents and grandparents were smarter than that. And interpreted the passage more simply and smarter than that.

  22. Richard no where in the bible does Jesus demand submersion for baptism .Though Lutherans were at one time noted for submersion , until some baptist insisted on it.that’s when we needed to show our christian freedom It was only then we started to use immersion of parts of the forhead by either poring or sprinkling . coming straight way out of the water simply means as it says not turning to the right or left .if you want to interpret the text the way baptist do you would have to have John under the water to baptising Jesus .he would have drown trying to speak the words. As the text states they both came straight way out of the water. I have yet to see a baptist preacher under the water baptising I think he would choke on the water trying to say the words.

    • Robert, the Greek term baptizo means to immerse, to dip, to submerge, to overwhelm. Also, the circumstances and descriptions of baptism in the NT show that John, Jesus, and the Apostles all immersed. So it is nonsensical to speak of “baptism by immersion” since baptism is immersion.

      I don’t care what any Baptist may believe or disbelieve. I am utterly interested in what Jesus commanded.

  23. Richard stop trying to be everyone’s pope your own Lutheran parents would tell you the bible is all the pope Lutherans want or need.

    • I am glad that the Lutheran Church doesn’t have a so-called “Pope” and Luther opposed the so-called “Pope,” calling him the Anti-Christ. Indeed, he was (and is) such. But when we produce documents like the Book of Concord and have human leadership (like the Lutheran President or Bishop), we do something that the early believers didn’t do.

  24. Richard by what you write you don’t seem to understand that the Lutheran church is your parents and grandparents .And that if they truly were Lutheran as you clam .there only authority on this earth was the bible. The Lutheran church was never set up to have human authority only biblical authority .you should study Lutheranism before talking about it. Do you even know what the first article of the epitome of concord states. I doubt it. You will when heavens your home. Then even you will be Lutheran in belief. Only non Lutheran church’s have human in authority positions .the bible is all the pope Lutherans want or need.

  25. Richard by what you write you don’t seem to understand that the Lutheran church is your parents and grandparents .And that if they truly were Lutheran as you clam .there only authority on this earth was the bible. The Lutheran church was never set up to have human authority only biblical authority .you should study Lutheranism before talking about it. Do you even know what the first article of the epitome of concord states. I doubt it. You will when heavens your home. Then even you will be Lutheran in belief.

    • Robert, thanks for sharing your beliefs. REmember, neither of us will be judged by your parents or my parents. On that awesome and terrible day we will stand before the Judge and He will judge us according to His Word. Luther will have nothing to do with it. Luther (as you must know) was a carnal and fleshly man. And, sadly, his doctrines were sometimes wrong. But God’s Word is never wrong.

  26. Richard I think being Lutheran fit your parents and grandparents just as well as being what ever you are fits you. Needless to say I admire them. And are just as happy as you are that your not Lutheran. As you enjoy way to much twisting scripture according to your reasons. And are not up to any serious bible study.

    • Robert, we are not to find out whether someone was or is “happy” with where they are religiously. Our only desire should be to discover what pleases God and Christ Jesus and what makes them happy! Christ is pleased when we take Him and His Word seriously. We are not to squirm out of such obedience or escape what Jesus said. We are to simply, humbly submit to Him. So regardless of what my parents or your parents believed or didn’t believe, let us have the faith to obey God with all of our hearts–and this would include being truly baptized.

  27. Richard its you who are missing the point did Paul die for you or Christ. S Jesus said all commandments can be summed up with the first and love your neighbor ..Dids Israel die for you or was it Jesus? If it was Jesus why did God name his first church after a man? Because that would not cause them to honor Israel above God . Why did Lutherans except the name the papists gave us? Would it cause us to honor Luther more then God. Is that what happened to your grand parents and parents Richard did they worship Luther as there god were you baptised into Luther Richard . no!! I doubt it

    The reason Lutherans allowed the papists to stick us with the name Lutheran is
    Because Christ not only died for us he also lived perfect for us . we took the name the papist gave us . by taking that name Lutheran they gave us WAS our confession that we believed as Luther and the bible taught .that were saved by works not our works but !! Christ’s his perfect works alone. It also was a confession that the bible not the pope of Rome was our pope.

    • Christ commanded people who respond to the gospel to be baptized. They are to be lowered into the water and raised from the water, just as Christ died, was buried, and rose again. Christ also immerses us into the Spirit and into the body of Christ. Instead of fighting against what Scripture is teaching, let us submit ourselves to Jesus and His baptism.

  28. JESUS tells his church in scripture to use water baptism . Scripture also says one Faith one baptism one God the Father. It’s your beliefs that are at odds with what Baptism Jesus instituted.

    • Again, I don’t understand what you mean here. Christ wanted us to baptize–and this was definitely water baptism (Acts 8:36-39; 10:46-48). There is one baptism (Ephesians 4:4-6). But also we are to receive the Holy Spirit in baptism (1 Cor. 12:13; Acts 2:38-39; Galatians 3:27 with 4:6).

  29. Richard God used water and his word . With out God’s word water would just be water.. When Jesus set aside his godly crown and came down he is the one that instituted baptism. No where will you find In the Bible Jesus commanding His church to use a baptism apart from water. That’s why the bible also states one baptism one Faith one God the Father.

    • Robert, I don’t think that I am following your reasoning here. Jesus said to baptize (Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:16). This was water baptism. But there is a spiritual element here as well–the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38-39; 1 Corinthians 12:13).

  30. baptism in Lutheran churches is done by the holy spirit because he more learned than nondenominational and baptists people. Baptist and nondenominational people don’t know what the heck there doing The holy spirit always knows what he is doing in baptism. The traditional children choir Gods child I gladly say it. Can be viwed on you tube which describes the holy spirits work in baptism..

    • Robert, let’s be open and honest here. You know that Lutheran “baptism” is by water! They pour a little water three times on a baby’s head. It happened to me and probably happened to you.

      Yes, the Holy Spirit is involved in Scriptural baptism (see Matthew 28:19; Acts 2:38-39; etc.), but so is water. See John 3:5 (although I know that this is controversial).

      We need not be a Baptist or any other denomination to believe and obey the Scriptures. This would include baptism. Peter didn’t have the NT when he told the 3,000 on Pentecost to be baptized. But he spoke with authority as God’s inspired man.

    • Robert, one more point here. In your several posts here, you used profanity and other “corrupt” speech (Colossians 3:8; Ephesians 4:29). You need not do this to make your point. In fact, instead of contributing to your argument, it detracts from it. Let’s speak truth and let’s do so with love, kindness, and honesty. (Ephesians 4:15).

  31. When in heaven you other christians will believe like Lutherans. UN till then there is the (celc lutheran info Website. And the new 95 thesis for the 21 century.

    • Sadly, Robert, you somehow believe that everyone in heaven will agree with Luther and other Lutherans. Would you say the same about Calvin’s Institutes, Wesley’s Discipline, the Westminster Confession of Faith, and others? No, Robert, God’s word in eternal and only that will last (1 Peter 1:23-25).

  32. Richard God himself called his first church after the man Israel. Calling one self lutheran is not breaking the first commandment. If it was then God would be wrong calling his first church Israel. AND we both know that can’t be so that alone shows your kinda missed the mark in that self study of yours . I Won’t even get into baptism . Because you obviously are into self righteousness. Thinking baptism is what we do for God not what he does for us. Your problem is your obvious doubt in holy scriptures. Though you claim other wise .the lutheran confessions itself state holy scriptures are over everything we are to believe. And we are to evaluate every thing said by holy scriptures. Your not very honest about what lutherans are to believe.. we believe the bible not you and your non denominational BS.

    • Hello Robert. Thank you so much for writing. Of course, I don’t agree with your defense of Lutheranism or what they believe.

      I am concerned that you would want to defend the use of human and man-made names for Christ’s assembly. 1 Corinthians 1:10-13 is sufficient to show that God does not want His people to be called after any man–any founder or teacher.

      You didn’t comment on baptism, but this is another issue that must be confronted. Luther’s baby “baptism” must be rejected by one who values God’s will and His truth. You know that Luther said that in baptism, one receives forgiveness of sins, regeneration, the Holy Spirit, and other spiritual blessings.

      You mentioned that in baptism, God does something. I agree and I believe that God’s Word agrees with this. But it also something that we do–something that we as humans must do! When the convicted people on Pentecost asked, “What shall we do?” Peter replied that they needed to do something–repent and be baptized (see Acts 2:38-39). He didn’t say, “Folks, I’m sorry, but you can’t do anything. Only God does something in baptism!”

      Robert, we can appreciate any good thing and any amount that Luther stood for, but if we are loyal to God and His Word, we must reject anything that is not Scriptural.

  33. What Does Bible Say About Football?

    • Hello Chris. It is good to hear from you. As you know, “football” is not mentioned directly in Scripture. Neither are marijuana, abortion, smoking, or reckless driving.

      Because of this, we need to see any principles that may be involved in the issue under consideration. I wrote a lengthy book on sports–entitled “The Question of Sports?” It is not on my website, but would be available from a bookseller. I think that Barnes and Nobel has it. I am not sure about Amazon. It surely would answer your questions (I think it is about 255 pages).

      Let me know what you find. In short, I can’t see a reason why a devoted follower of Jesus would want to either see, or attend, or follow, or have an interest in this worldliness (see 1 John 2:15-17; James 4:4; Romans 12:1-2; James 1:27).

      May God bless you!

  34. Richard, You might find the following web site interesting if you have not already seen it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism

  35. Why are we eating in raw materials that isn’t organic foods? Why the Federal Governments trying to kill us innocently in Genetic engineering food and water supply [in science and medicine]?
    Why John Holdren had written a book called the “Ecoscience”?
    Why Ted Turner calls us a “Useless Eaters”?
    Why Federal Governments are trying to erasing African American’s identity traits?
    Why Stress of Racism is killing African American’s infant?

    Exodus 22:1-30:
    Exodus 23:1-33:
    1 John 2:1-29:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMNFQ4tLRFc

    • Hello Sally….

      You are probably right that the government is allowing things that they should not allow. Why did the government allow people to use tobacco–when people have known for a century that smoking was harmful?

      Why does the government allow people to kill their babies? And as we know, especially African-American babies are being killed–not by the government but my their mothers!

      Why does the government allow junk food to be given to children in school–or even purchased in the stores. Even when everyone knows that junk food is harmful to our health?

      We may not know all of the answers but we can live rightly ourselves regardless of what the government does or doesn’t do, and regardless of what our family, friends, and neighbors do. Let us always do the right!

  36. Your website might have been worthwhile for me, but your inability to come to the point regarding who you are triggered impatience and suspicion. In this day and age there’s already an abundance of fine print and salesmanship.

    • Hello Anthony… I wonder what you mean by this? A month or two ago someone (maybe it was you or someone who said about the same as you) a person wondered who I was. I thought I had replied quite a bit to identify myself. Almost all of my life I’ve been in home groups for fellowship. I’ve been to 7 or 8 colleges and a couple of seminaries. Most of my identification may be checked out on the “Personal” section of the website. I would suggest that you check that out.

  37. I cannot accuse you of hiding your name, Richard Hollerman, but I instinctively mistrust web sites that say absolutely nothing about the people – or, I suspect, in this case, person – whose site it is. It usually means that the person is hiding something – perhaps for perfectly reasonable motives. However, in your case, I do not see why we know nothing about your background. If you are a disillusioned product of the Restoration Movement, say so. Why the secrecy? Modesty, may be? or just an oversight? A rather cantankerous person posted a link to an article on this site, so must admit I came to it with some negative feelings. If you want to know more about me, please ask. I am visible on Facebook.

    • Greetings to you, Robert. I appreciate your willingness to write, even bringing up the situation that you mentioned.

      Actually, Robert, you will find quite a bit about my (personally) on the website–www.Truediscipleship.com. I grew up a Lutheran, until age 15. You will be able to read my “story” if you go to the article entitled, “Why I Left the Lutheran Church.”

      Also, if you go to the “Personal” section, you will find various articles and photos. check this out. However, a friend of mine did transfer the articles from an old website to the new one about 2 years ago. I haven’t been able to update or reformat all of the articles yet, although I continue to work on this long, long task.

      There are some 1,800 different articles on the site, tus it is a great job to try to work on that many articles. I hope that you find something of value there.

      May God bless you! –Richard

  38. Bruce C Lindahl says:

    Richard, sorry I apparently failed to give you web address for the article. Here it is.

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/classics/murray-children-christ/baptism-adult-or-infant.html

    Bruce

    • Hello Bruce…. Thank you so much for writing and sharing your thoughts with me. I appreciate your interest.

      Bruce, I can see that the writer of the article that you cited is a thorough-going infant baptizer (I use “baptizer” accommodatively here, since I am not convinced that it is a baptism [immersion] nor the proper meaning and purpose and subject [a believing and repentant person].

      Bruce, as you probably know, there are infant baptizers who admit that there is not a single verse in Scripture that enjoins infant baptism. Nor is there a clear example of the practice. It must be inferred or assumed.

      I realize that many infant baptizers say that NT baptism for a child is equivalent to OT circumcision. But there is no Scripture that would make that connection. Even Colossians 2:11 doesn’t make it. Circumcision was given to bring one into the OT people of God or Israel. Baptism for a child is not even stated to do so in the NT.

      The meaning of baptism is faith or belief in Christ (Mark 16:16; Acts 8:12; 18:8; Galatians 3:26-27; Colossians 2:12-13). A baby doesn’t have the capacity to believe.

      Further, NT baptism denotes repentance (Acts 2:38; cf. Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3). We know that a child cannot repent. And he doesn’t have personal sins to repent of.

      These are some of the reasons why infant baptism cannot be God’s will. Further, since it substitutes man’s opinion for God’s Word, we must say that infant baptizers have “invalidated the word of God” for the sake of their tradition (Matthew 15:6). I hope that you will thoughtfully consider this!

      May God bless you!

  39. Bruce C Lindahl says:

    Hello Richard, I came across an interesting take on the Baptism (adult and infant) question which I thought you might ponder on. Blessings,

    Bruce L.

  40. I enjoyed the article on the United Methodist Church and their book of discipline which denies the teaching of creation or intelligent design in schools. To me this is the most amazing contradiction possible. To be a Christian is to be a super-naturalist and yet they hold to the naturalist anti-Creator position even though John 1:30 tells us Jesus has made everything that has been made. To agree with evolution which says all life came from some unknown first life which must have arisen from non-living chemicals without a designer-creator even though every life has hundreds of micro-machines based on a complex coding system with complex informational instructions that had to come from a creator designer. They are ignorant of the laws of information set forth by Dr. Werner Gitt which proves evolution with a creator to be impossible and they do so in the name of science when all this is a well told story. I certainly hope the coming split of the UMC over the LGBT clergy issue and the Wesleyan Convenant Association will do away with this insane and impossible to defend position the church now embraces. I think the UMC like the German church under the Nazi’s must rid themselves of those who compromise the clear Biblical teachings so easy for anyone to understand.

    • Hello Steve…. Sorry for the delay but I overlooked your good letter. It is a good one. You have put your finger on an important deficiency of the UMC, for to deny the Biblical account of creation is to deny the God of the Bible as Creator and Sustainer.
      You speak of the possible division in the Methodist denomination over the homosexual issue. We both know that this is a complete overthrow of so much that Scripture teaches on holy sexuality.It deserves to be rejected entirely. But, Steve, I hope that you have read all of the articles on the United Methodist Church and can see that the sodomite issue is only one of dozens of different objectionable and unscriptural stands.
      Check it all out. I take it that you do accept the inspiration and authority of the Scriptures. Wonderful! But go beyond this and also accept all that the Bible says about everything.
      May God bless you–and thank you for writing!

  41. I’ve had noticed that your hasn’t mentioned about “water” for everyday living in Health and Nutrition [to drink, not as in body of water]. How can you forget about “water” Mr. Hollarman (Richard)? Cause water support us for our daily living, it is very important for our health. In fact that in 2006 (if I remembered it right), the commercial is giving advice as a warning when going to the store and eating breakfast and dinner, saying “When you entering into the store don’t leave your stomach to feel hunger, or your end up buying everything in the store that you’ve see” and another one is “When you have starts to eat the large amount of big meal for your day, remembers to drink that glass of water more than when you’re eating, so that your can be full and have energy later on through the day”. it isn’t response as in commercial anymore, since some genius someone had try to decided it time to change the World through active promoting competition advising.

    • Hello Sally!

      You are definitely right, my friend. Water is important and God has given us water to drink! Even Jesus got thirsty and asked for water (John 4:7-9).

      Depending on how exposed we are to heat and the sun, we may need more. Generally, I have read that about 8 glasses (8 ounce) is what we should drink. However, in the summer and working in the heat, maybe it should be 10 glasses. It is a basic requirement of health!

      I’m glad that you could see this and recommend that people drink. I agree that there should be a good article on this.

      May God bless you!

      • Nope, there isn’t going to be one, and thanks a lot for your Truthful fact sequence, Mr. Hollarman (Richard). It is very simple really, your tried to make people to think which is right food sources, in order to know what to eat and drinks correctly (that’s only part of it, is it not?). How do I know that? It’s very easy to figure it out, your only mentioned ‘that we cannot eat or drink soda, milk, nor eating plenty of meats’, if we can not do that, well then…what can we ate? Only Fruit and water and veggies. Thanks for your generous information Mr. Hollarman (Richard).

        • Hi Sally….

          I realize that eating and drinking is important (see 1 Corinthians 10:31 which says we are to do so for the glory of God). What we eat and what we don’t eat is something that we should be concerned about–as we eat and drink accordingly. I realize that many people give very little thought to this matter, thinking that God is only interested in the “spiritual” matters of life. However, God is very interested in EVERY aspect of life, including this one.

          May God bless you as you continue your reading and study of His divine Word.

  42. Andre Cilliers says:

    Hi Mike
    Busy doing research on ancient subject: the “church”.
    Am finding your writings very helpful.
    Thank you brother!
    In His Name–blessings.
    Andre
    PS. where do you guys work from?

    • Hello Andre,
      Thanks so much for writing and expressing yourself. I’m so glad that you have found the topics found on the True Discipleship to be helpful in your research. There is so much I want to present as God gives the time and opportunity. In the meanwhile, I hope that you will continue to search and examine and compare everything with God’s Word (2 Timothy 2:15; 3:15-17).

  43. Reading through some of your commemts scares me. Mixed swimming pools… omg thats horrible…not. Boys swimming with girls is no problem. Even less of a problem if theres a parent there. But still no problem. Boys and girls should not be seperated by their gender, they should be given the opportunity to have fun and make friends with kids from the other gender.

    • Hello Suzan…
      Thanks so much for writing, Suzan.
      I realize that the issue that you raised–that of the genders going swimming together–is a difficult one. And it is hard to answer very directly here.

      I don’t know if you profess to know the Lord Jesus or not, but God’s way is one of purity and holiness (Hebrews 12:14). He doesn’t want any thought, word, or activity that will feed the lust of young people or adults (Romans 1:24).

      Since we are living in a wicked world and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one (Satan) (1 John 5:19), it is easy for us to fall into the world’s way of thinking and acting. Somehow we assume that the music of the world, the literature of the world, the entertainment or recreation of the world, the clothing of the world, the education of the world–are all permissible and acceptable to the Christian.

      Actually, most of the things that we take for granted are not acceptable. God calls us to rise higher than this and live a different kind of life. We must not be conformed to the world around us (Romans 12:1-2; James 4:4; 1 John 2:15-17). We must be different.

      When we are talking about boys and girls taking most of their clothes off, this is the problem. We are not talking about 2-year-olds, but those who are older, as well as teenagers (especially), as well as those who are much older as adults. We must preserve our modesty and decency (see 1 Timothy 2:9-10 and 1 Peter 3:3-4). we must not contribute to the wrongful thoughts of others (see Jesus’ words at Matthew 5:27-30).

      First, Suzan, I encourage you to make sure of your own salvation (2 Corinthians 13:5), then read some of the article on this website. There are many that relate to modesty and clothing.

      Thank you again for writing and I hope that these thoughts will help in some measure. May God bless you!

  44. Bruce Lindahl says:

    Richard, I think you might find this article interesting.

    http://www.lutherquest.org/walther/articles/nameLuth.htm

    Regards,

    • Thank you so much, Bruce!

      I take it that you are a committed Lutheran?

      I would encourage you to not only focus on the article, “Why I Left the Lutheran Church,” but examine many of the other 1,800 different articles on the site. There are many that apply directly to the question of whether the Lutheran denomination is unscriptural and should be renounced? And whether many of the doctrines and practices of this denomination should be followed.

      Please do this for your own sake, Bruce. Once again, thank you so much for your communication!

      May God be glorified today and always!

  45. Hey Richard,

    I admire your affinity for the Bible. But, theologically, I think you missed the boat. I admire the Lutheran theology and consider it to be true to scripture and insightful. Perhaps you should truly understand Lutheran theology before you publicly claim it to be contrary to the Bible.

    • Hello Mike…. I am very glad that you have written and expressed yourself. I realize that there are tens of millions of Lutherans in the world who elevate Luther, quote Luther, and follow his theology. And there are other Protestants who admire some of what he stood for who are not Lutherans. However, our chief desire should be to examine what Luther wrote and compare this with the Scriptures. If God has said something, we had better receive it. And if God condemns something, let us also condemn it. God knows best. We ought to obey God rather than man (Acts 5:29). We need to take God’s inspired and inerrant Word over any word spoken or written by a mere mortal man. (See 2 Timothy 3:15-17; 4:1-6). I hope that you will check out all of the articles that you will find on the Truediscipleship.com website. There are hundreds that would profitable for you to check out and carefully study.

  46. Ryan Conley says:

    Richard, I enjoyed reading your Lutheran article. As I was concerned ntenplating the Lutheran Doctrine but something’s I didn’t agree with. Honestly, I’m stuck. I don’t completely agree with Pentecostals nor the baptist or any other denomination that I’ve found. It seems my denomination is Christian. But the issue o have is I’m not able to find a biblical sound church.
    If you can recommend anything I’d appreciate it.

    • Greetings Ryan…

      I’m so glad that you chose to write and express your perplexity about the Lutheran Church and what other churches are in existence that claim to be “Christian.”

      Although I don’t have the full answer for you (or for others), let’s proceed cautiously and with a firm faith in the reliability of God’s written Word. Without this, we are in a leaky rowboat in the middle of the Pacific! But with the Scriptures, we can proceed with the kind of solid foundation that our Lord presented in Matthew 7:24-27 (see also vv. 21-23).

      First, as you read the Lutheran article and compared it with Scripture, are you entirely sure that this denomination is different from the first century community of believers? As you compare the various Lutheran denominations (there must be a dozen or so) with Scripture, you will find a wide divergence that we must not overlook. Some are very traditional and depend on the Book of Concord (such as the Wisconsin Synod or the Missouri Synod) and some are far more liberal–accepting abortion, women’s participation, sexual immorality (such as homosexuality, divorce and remarriage, etc.), and much more.

      Next, I would recommend that you read the book of Acts repeatedly as well as Romans to Revelation. Become very familiar with this portion of the Scriptures so that you will be able to see what to believe and how to live.

      Next, consider the subject of salvation in general. I had to come face to face with the fact that I was lost and alienated from God. I needed to be saved just as we read about in the Bible. There would be dozens of articles on this matter on the True Discipleship website.

      As you see this clearly, you will want to be saved just as Scripture presents it. Further, you will want to reject denominationalism in general for a dozen different reasons. The ones you mentioned have many negatives that you will want to avoid. Again, check out the True Discipleship website, especially General Topics and Biblical Subjects. Use the “Search” feature to type in what you are seeking. There are many articles on what the early Christians were like and the fact that we should be like them.

      Ryan, as you proceed in your studies, I hope that you write back and let us know what you are learning. There is more that could be said, but this is sufficient for now.

      May God bless you in your holy search.

  47. why do you think Jesus did not appear to his enemies after the resurrection?

    • Hello Daryl, it is good that you do observe that Jesus appeared to certain disciples and not to the general population of Judea or Galilee during the 40 days after the resurrection and until the ascension (Acts 1).

      The appearances of our Lord were given for a specific reason–to give these men the qualifications to become apostles and also to be general “witnesses” to others. Today the term “witness” seems to be used in a wrong or questionable way, as compared to the NT.

      Those who saw the resurrected Christ were to be witnesses of Jesus and His resurrection. I encourage you to look up such verses as the following: Acts 1:8, 21-26; 2:32; Luke 24:48; John 15:27; Acts 4:20; 5:32; 10:39-41. Maybe this will help. May God bless you and all of us as we search the Scriptures to understand further aspects of God’s truth (cf. Acts 17:11).

  48. Grace to you and good health,

    We would like to know what is your position and also biblical grounds for youth camps, or other types of camps.
    thanks and God bless you

    • Dear Urie,
      Thank you for writing and asking this question. I might say that I (personally) don’t have all of the wisdom to answer every question that may be asked.

      As for “youth camps,” I can’t say that I know very much about them. I haven’t been around situations or congregations where this has been a practice.

      However, mixed camps would seem to pose a real problem. When one has a mixture of the genders (especially when there is a temptation for the boys and girls to removed some of their clothes), this would be a serious problem that must be avoided. You probably know many of the scriptures and principles involved (Matthew 5:27-30; 1 Timothy 2:9-10; 1 Peter 3:3-4; etc.).

      The little I know about these venues would suggest that there are some things done there that would be foolish or questionable–such as mixed swimming, sports, etc.

      Further, another issue comes to mind. Do we just give young people (perhaps age 6 or 8 or 10 or 12, on up to age 18) into the hands of other people? Shouldn’t children be under the direct supervision of the parents?

      These are a few of the aspects that come to mind. May God bless you and help you to always choose what is wise and good for your children and especially would be glorifying to God!

  49. Mr. Hollerman, what about responsive readings of Scripture? Many churches at some part of their regular formal worship services often engage in responsive readings of Scripture, and recite Scripture-passages and even set prayers in union in an audible voice, repeating after the minister. Using your logic, it would seem that women are not to LEAD in responsive readings and recitations, but they may join with the rest of the congregation reciting them in an audible voice.

    Then why is it that a certain Fundamentalist Presbyterian clergyman, using exactly the same verses of Scripture you used (yea, and using the same exact Regulative Principle of Public Worship that you are using) said the following ?

    https://reformedbooksonline.com/topics/topics-by-subject/worship/responsive-readings/:

    ‘Responsive Readings Forbidden by Scripture
    Not only are there no unison, responsive congregational readings in the Bible, nor can such be necessarily derived from Scripture, but [on the contrary] the Bible [EXPLICITLY] forbids them. In the context of social worship, the apostle directs [exactly the SAME things as are written in `1 Timothy 2:8, 11, 12]’, as this is befitting the intended created order, the natural constitution of the sexes, and the natural relation between the sexes (1 Tim. 2:13-15; Gen. 2:21-22; 1 Cor. 11:3; 1 Pet. 3:1-7). While lady-prophets prophesied in the apostolic Church, and prayed (Acts 11:5), as all people do, silently along with the male person leading (Acts 4:24-25; 1:14, see this also as the universal practice in the O.T.), such prophesying by ladies was intended as extraordinary (Acts 2:17) to that time. The general rule, as Paul goes on to say later in that same context, was for ‘women [to] keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak [which word in the NT Greek is *LALEIN* – which you interpret as addressing or haranguing in the Church worship service, but not as including the act of SINGING in church congregationally]; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.’ (1 Cor. 14:34) Thus, when the apostle Paul, later in New Testament history, gives direction for the permanent prescribed order for the continuance of the Church, he directs that ladies, again, remain silent in the due course of social worship (1 Tim. 2:11,12). What applies to ladies, also applies to children reading God’s Word publicly in worship. (Isa. 3:12)’

    If your logic is correct, then the quibble that these verses of Scripture only forbid women to PUBLICLY read the Bible TO the rest of the congregation in the capacity of a public addresser of an assembly could be maintained. But this is exactly the argument the Presbyterian Westminster Divines who wrote the Directory of Public Worship REJECTED!

    ‘Thus, it is not surprising that the Westminster Larger Catechism (which most Presbyterian office-bearers have sworn to uphold) positively forbids responsive readings:
    #156: Is the Word of God to be read by all?
    Although all are not to be permitted to read the word publicly to the congregation,¹ yet all sorts of people are bound to read it apart by themselves… ¹ Deut. 31:9,11-13; Neh. 8:2,3; Neh. 9:3-5
    The quibble that L.C. #156 only forbids lay persons from reading the Word to the congregation, and not the congregation responding in kind to the minister, cannot be sustained. The original intent of the Catechism is further known from the other Westminster documents and writings of the divines, including:
    The Westminster Form of Presbyterial Church Government, which (after giving scriptural and theological arguments) uses no such qualification, but says ‘that the public reading of the scriptures belongeth to the pastor’s office.’
    The Preface to The Westminster Directory for Public Worship (see below) makes it clear that the intent of the Assembly was to get rid of, in whole, all the responsive readings of the Roman and Anglican Churches, according to the Will of God in Scripture. Thus the Directory does not use the qualification of ‘to the congregation’, but limits the public reading of the Word to pastors and teachers because it is ‘part of the public worship of God’:
    ‘Reading of the Word in the congregation, being part of the public worship of God… is to be performed by the pastors and teachers.’
    See also the eight books that Westminster divines wrote against the Anglican service book, here: The Works of the Westminster Divines on Worship)
    It should also be noted that arguments for responsive readings (such as Rev. Shisko’s above) usually use Eph. 5:19 (‘speaking to yourselves in psalms, hymns, etc.’) as warrant for the congregation reading Scripture not simply to the minister, but to themselves, the congregation, which Larger Catechism #156 explicitly forbids.’

    Does your Church allow responsive readings of Scripture, or does your church maintain that the Bible excludes them?

    • Mr. Hollerman, what about responsive readings of Scripture? Many churches at some part of their regular formal worship services often engage in responsive readings of Scripture, and recite Scripture-passages and even set prayers in union in an audible voice, repeating after the minister.

      Juan, it sounds like you come from a formalistic liturgical form of denomination. Have you considered that this may be very far from what the early Christians were–before the apostasy?

      Using your logic, it would seem that women are not to LEAD in responsive readings and recitations, but they may join with the rest of the congregation reciting them in an audible voice.

      All we know is what we read in such places as 1 Timothy 2:8, 11-15; 1 Corinthians 14:33-37; and many other passages.

      Then why is it that a certain Fundamentalist Presbyterian clergyman, using exactly the same verses of Scripture you used (yea, and using the same exact Regulative Principle of Public Worship that you are using) said the following ?

      https://reformedbooksonline.com/topics/topics-by-subject/worship/responsive-readings/:

      ‘Responsive Readings Forbidden by Scripture
      Not only are there no unison, responsive congregational readings in the Bible, nor can such be necessarily derived from Scripture, but [on the contrary] the Bible [EXPLICITLY] forbids them. In the context of social worship, the apostle directs [exactly the SAME things as are written in `1 Timothy 2:8, 11, 12]’, as this is befitting the intended created order, the natural constitution of the sexes, and the natural relation between the sexes (1 Tim. 2:13-15; Gen. 2:21-22; 1 Cor. 11:3; 1 Pet. 3:1-7).

      I think that we can see the logic to his discussion here.

      While lady-prophets prophesied in the apostolic Church, and prayed (Acts 11:5), as all people do, silently along with the male person leading (Acts 4:24-25; 1:14, see this also as the universal practice in the O.T.), such prophesying by ladies was intended as extraordinary (Acts 2:17) to that time.

      The prophesying of women in Acts 2 and 1 Corinthians 11 might have been done away from the assembly, but in the presence of other women in private settings.

      The general rule, as Paul goes on to say later in that same context, was for ‘women [to] keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak [which word in the NT Greek is *LALEIN* – which you interpret as addressing or haranguing in the Church worship service, but not as including the act of SINGING in church congregationally]; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.’ (1 Cor. 14:34)

      Thus, when the apostle Paul, later in New Testament history, gives direction for the permanent prescribed order for the continuance of the Church, he directs that ladies, again, remain silent in the due course of social worship (1 Tim. 2:11,12). What applies to ladies, also applies to children reading God’s Word publicly in worship. (Isa. 3:12)’

      If your logic is correct, then the quibble that these verses of Scripture only forbid women to PUBLICLY read the Bible TO the rest of the congregation in the capacity of a public addresser of an assembly could be maintained. But this is exactly the argument the Presbyterian Westminster Divines who wrote the Directory of Public Worship REJECTED!

      ‘Thus, it is not surprising that the Westminster Larger Catechism (which most Presbyterian office-bearers have sworn to uphold) positively forbids responsive readings:
      #156: Is the Word of God to be read by all?
      Although all are not to be permitted to read the word publicly to the congregation,¹ yet all sorts of people are bound to read it apart by themselves… ¹ Deut. 31:9,11-13; Neh. 8:2,3; Neh. 9:3-5

      The quibble that L.C. #156 only forbids lay persons from reading the Word to the congregation, and not the congregation responding in kind to the minister, cannot be sustained. The original intent of the Catechism is further known from the other Westminster documents and writings of the divines, including:
      The Westminster Form of Presbyterial Church Government, which (after giving scriptural and theological arguments) uses no such qualification, but says ‘that the public reading of the scriptures belongeth to the pastor’s office.’

      The Preface to The Westminster Directory for Public Worship (see below) makes it clear that the intent of the Assembly was to get rid of, in whole, all the responsive readings of the Roman and Anglican Churches, according to the Will of God in Scripture. Thus the Directory does not use the qualification of ‘to the congregation’, but limits the public reading of the Word to pastors and teachers because it is ‘part of the public worship of God’:

      ‘Reading of the Word in the congregation, being part of the public worship of God… is to be performed by the pastors and teachers.’
      See also the eight books that Westminster divines wrote against the Anglican service book, here: The Works of the Westminster Divines on Worship)
      It should also be noted that arguments for responsive readings (such as Rev. Shisko’s above) usually use Eph. 5:19 (‘speaking to yourselves in psalms, hymns, etc.’) as warrant for the congregation reading Scripture not simply to the minister, but to themselves, the congregation, which Larger Catechism #156 explicitly forbids.’

      Does your Church allow responsive readings of Scripture, or does your church maintain that the Bible excludes them?

      It would seem to be more in keeping with NT meetings or assemblies for a teacher, preacher, or shepherd/overseer to address the assembly. And any male member may have the ability to read Scripture aloud.

      What do you think?

      • Mr. Hollerman, You said:

        “It would seem to be more in keeping with NT meetings or assemblies for a teacher, preacher, or shepherd/overseer to address the assembly. And any male member may have the ability to read Scripture aloud.”

        But you didn’t answer my question. I didn’t ask WHO may publicly and orally ADDRESS the assembly, but does your church allow responsive readings of the Scripture (or any responsive recited prayers) in which the whole congregation repeats IN UNISON after the minister or some other male leader of the congregation leading them? And by the way, that Presbyterian source from which I quoted OPPOSES, on the grounds of the Regulative Principle of Worship, a so-called liturgical form of worship.

        And I also have another question. In the light of 1 Corinthians 14:34/35, is it the obligation of every church member who has committed a public sin to confess his sins publicly and orally in the public assembly of the church, or it is only obligatory on adult males?

        • Hello Juan…
          I can’t seem to read your reply and then offer my reply to it on the same screen here, so I have been reading yours and going to the “reply” section.

          First, I must say that I don’t find liturgy or anything like it in the NT. We must guard against allowing OT worship patterns or modern denominational practices to influence us.

          Since women are forbidden to speak in the assembly or teach over the man (1 Timothy 2:11-15; 1 Cor. 14:33-37) and only the men (the males) are to lead in prayer (1 Timothy 2:8), it would be keeping with this spirit to have the Christian men to read a confession of a woman if this is in order.

  50. I agree liberalism ia horrible. But after reading your hillary clinton article im not commenting on here. Your a sexist pig. Hillary deaeeved to lose because shes a bad person, not because shes a woman. Woman are equal to men. Musi isnt bad. America is not satan and we are in fact better than the muslim community because we give freedom. Its sad that their are close minded people like you in our world. Look me up in heaven someday, ill be there. Even with all my so called problems. You are the one whos been brain washed my friend by misunderstandings. This is why catholics dont know anything

    • I agree liberalism ia horrible. But after reading your hillary clinton article im not commenting on here. Your a sexist pig. Hillary deaeeved to lose because shes a bad person, not because shes a woman. Woman are equal to men.

      It is true that we don’t know if Hillary lost because she is a woman. REmember, most Americans don’t believe t6he Bible, thus there were generally other reasons why she lost the election.

      Musi isnt bad. America is not satan and we are in fact better than the muslim community because we give freedom.

      Freedom is good if people are willing to use that freedom in a responsible way. Most people don’t–including the Muslim and the professing “Christian.”

      Its sad that their are close minded people like you in our world. Look me up in heaven someday, ill be there. Even with all my so called problems.

      It would be nice if God were to take you to heaven. However, James, you have so many things to say against God and His Word and His will, how could you expect to go to a place where everyone is totally subservant to God and always does His will? Wouldn’t you be lost?

      You are the one whos been brain washed my friend by misunderstandings. This is why catholics dont know anything

      As you know, Catholics don’t follow the Bible but their human tradition. Jesus said for us to follow God and His will.

  51. whereas women are to be silent and not teach over the man.? You believe this crap. Thats messed up man!!! The bible is extremely old. Things change. All human are equal. Women are equal to men. They have every right a man has. You call yourself a christian. Your nothing but a phony. You think your living in gods word but you dont have a valid point. Its 2017. The worlds changed. The bible was written by men passed along for over 2,000 years now, some things will never be understood. I believe that god speaks to us. God is our soul the thing that tells us whats right and wrong. God wants us to dance and sing and for us all to have equal oppertunity. your beliefs disgust me. Men were once the head of the house hold all that time ago for the reasons such as men could hunt, gather and were strong while mothers were nuturing. Things have changed. You no longer need to be a man to suceed in providing for your family. You disgust me!!!

    • whereas women are to be silent and not teach over the man.? You believe this crap. Thats messed up man!!!

      Hello James…. Yes, that is what the Bible says and we must believe it. After all, God (our Creator) knows more than you and I do and should know how He made us.

      The bible is extremely old. Things change.

      The amazing thing about the Bible is that even though it is old (written between 3,400 and 2,000 years ago), it is still up-to-date and worthy of our belief and obedience.

      All human are equal. Women are equal to men. They have every right a man has.

      It is true that a woman is “equal” to a man in regard to intelligence, longevity, and such things. However, God has assigned different abilities and roles to the male and the female. Not only does Scripture but also experience bears this out (1 Corinthians 11:3).

      You call yourself a christian. Your nothing but a phony. You think your living in gods word but you dont have a valid point. Its 2017. The worlds changed. The bible was written by men passed along for over 2,000 years now, some things will never be understood. I believe that god speaks to us. God is our soul the thing that tells us whats right and wrong. God wants us to dance and sing and for us all to have equal oppertunity.

      James, it is true that most modern secular and humanistic people reject what the Bible says in regard to the roles of men and women and the submission that is upon the woman, but it is what God our Creator has revealed. He should know, don’t you think?

      your beliefs disgust me. Men were once the head of the house hold all that time ago for the reasons such as men could hunt,

      Again, it is true that man is the head of the marriage and the family (Ephesians 5:22-25, 33), but this doesn’t say that the woman is inferior. Just different.

  52. Also one more thing because i am curious what are the biblical principals of music as you mentioned in your response.

    • Hi James,

      I think that this is answered sufficiently in my previous reply to you. If not, let me know. I would also recommend that you type in “music” into the Search feature. There are several articles there.

  53. The more I look around the site the more questions i have. And the only conclusion i can come to is your stuck in the past. Music changes. The world has changed. A beat cant be evil. My favorite christian band wrote this inspiring song. The lyrics lift you up, you feel their struggle. It makes you know your not alone. To dismiss all music as evil is close minded and selfish. God gave these christian singers talent to spread his word. To get people excited about faith. The lyrics for this song by christian rock band skillet are
    Lyrics
    I’m at war with the world and they
    Try to pull me into the dark
    I struggle to find my faith
    As I’m slippin’ from your arms

    It’s getting harder to stay awake
    And my strength is fading fast
    You breathe into me at last

    I’m awake I’m alive
    Now I know what I believe inside
    Now it’s my time
    I’ll do what I want ’cause this is my life
    Here, right here
    Right now, right now
    Stand my ground and never back down
    I know what I believe inside
    I’m awake and I’m alive

    I’m at war with the world cause I
    Ain’t never gonna sell my soul
    I’ve already made up my mind
    No matter what I can’t be bought or sold

    When my faith is getting weak
    And I feel like giving in
    You breathe into me again

    I’m awake I’m alive
    Now I know what I believe inside
    Now it’s my time
    I’ll do what I want ’cause this is my life
    Here, right here
    Right now, right now
    Stand my ground and never back down
    I know what I believe inside
    I’m awake and I’m alive

    Waking up waking up
    Waking up waking up
    Waking up waking up
    Waking up waking up

    In the dark
    I can feel you in my sleep
    In your arms I feel you breathe into me
    Forever hold this heart that I will give to you
    Forever I will live for you

    I’m awake I’m alive
    Now I know what I believe inside
    Now it’s my time
    I’ll do what I want ’cause this is my life
    Here, right here
    Right now, right now
    Stand my ground and never back down
    I know what I believe inside
    I’m awake and I’m alive

    Waking up waking up
    Waking up waking up
    Waking up waking up
    Waking up waking up

    Those lyrics are inspiring and praising god. The music in the background creates soul. Tell me is it evil to watch television. Theres so much violence in television. But thats how the world works. Their are bad people out their. People will eventually get exposed to evil. Music and tv dont have control over us. Its how we react.

    • Greetings James…

      Thank you for writing again. First, it is true that the way of Christ is one that seeks to old paths of the Lord: “Thus says the LORD, ‘Stand by the ways and see and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and you shall find rest for your souls'” (Jeremiah 6:16). We are to seek and walk in the old paths, providing those paths are the ways of the Lord.

      As for modern worldly professing “Christian” singers and players, I do believe that you have a serious problem here, James. I don’t know about the lyrics (although I might also think that there is a problem there too), but the music (if one may call it that) is surely worldly and of the devil.

      I am glad that there was something there that may have aroused your appetite for spiritual things, but you should now go on beyond the worldly beat and find something that is more spiritual in nature.

      There are many reasons why you should change your listening preferences: (1) The singers and players and their own private lives. (2) The lyrics. (3) The medium–the worldly beat. (4) Probably other false practices, such as the so-called “sinner’s prayer.” (5) The early Christians evidently used vocal music rather than instrumental music. There are around 10 references to a cappella music and none to instrumental music in worship from Acts to Jude. (6) Often the religious world has women publicly singing, whereas women are to be silent and not teach over the man (1 Timothy 2:11-12; 1 Cor. 14:33-37).

      All of this should lead you to reject much of contemporary music–or what some may call music.

  54. Had to read your artical on the rock beat for school and its complete nonsense and garbage. Their are christian bands out their who play heavy metal that have brought me closer to faith! They are combining what they love most (god) with their passion(music)! Their is nothing wrong with the rock beat!

    • Hello James…

      I’m so glad that you wrote and expressed yourself. We wish to receive such comments even when they may differ from the articles that we carry.

      James, sadly, I do believe that you have been brainwashed by the modern worldly spirit that permits wicked contemporary music to influence our mind, our heart, and our behavior…

      Probably there is little that can convince you otherwise. I encourage you to type “rock” and “music” into the Search feature and you will find other articles that will help you to see the wrongfulness and sinfulness of rock music in all of its forms,along with other forms of worldly music.

      Consider: Would Jesus use or listen to modern rock music (even that which purports to be “Christian” in orientation)? We know the answer. Would the apostles? Does it violate one or more Biblical principles of good music?

      There are many other questions we could ask, but I do ask you to follow through and look up other articles on this form of worldly music. Remember, the fact that millions of professing “Christians” may listen to such “music” doesn’t settle the matter, since most of such people are on the “broad way” that leads to destruction. Surely you want to be on the “narrow way” that leads to life!

      May God bless you, my friend.

  55. Juan Jeanniton says:

    Concerning “Christian Worship and Women Singers”, the NT Greek word that Paul used in 1 Corinthians 14:34/35 used for *SPEAK* is *LALEIN* – since you at “Truediscipleship” contend that this verse does not apply to congregational SINGING in church, since singing is not the ordinary meaning of the word *LALEIN* (which only refers to using the NORMAL inflections of the voice), there is something you ought to know.

    The normal definition of SING is ‘to use the voice in a MUSICALLY MODULATED and TUNEFUL form of voice with intent to perform vocal music’ and the normal definition of SPEAK is ‘to use the voice in a NORMAL tone of voice’. If the act of women joining in AUDIBLY and VOCALLY in the CONGREGATIONAL singing can occur without resulting in any violation of 1 Corinthians 14:34/35, then the same is true for the act of women singing in the choir or singing solo: for the SAME vital life principle AND DETERMINING FACTOR that is found in women joining in AUDIBLY and VOCALLY in the CONGREGATIONAL singing is also an ESSENTIAL characteristic of the very CONCEPT of the act of women singing in the choir or singing solo. But this is the very same ESSENTIAL definitive property which would exempt congregational singing from the lawful jurisdiction of the precept governing the term LALEIN as used in 1 Corinthians 14:34/35: therefore why not just admit that for women to sing special music in church is no more an act of *LALEIN* (i.e. using the NORMAL inflections of the voice) in Church than is congregational singing, and that you have no more SPECIFIC authority to consider women singers of solos and special music a violation of this precept than congregational singing?

    • Hello Juan… Would it not be better to look at all of the words in 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 14 instead of focusing on the one Greek word that you mentioned?

      Women are to keep silent in the assembly (1 Corinthians 14:34). It is improper for a woman to speak in the assembly (v. 35). Women are to “receive” (not give) instruction and are to have “entire submissiveness” (1 Timothy 2:11). Women are not permitted to “teach” or “exercise authority” over a man, but are to “remain quiet” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). They are not to lead in prayer in the assembly (v. 8).

      Singing is one form of teaching (Colossians 3:16), thus women are not to sing in the form of teaching over others, other than simply following the lead of someone else in singing. Also, obviously, women may pray in the assembly, but should not lead such prayers, which is the domain of the believing men (1 Timothy 2:8).

      It would also be good to ask ourselves if there is any place for women solos or choirs, or if this happens to be elements of modern churches that are in apostasy. Sadly, we do many things today that should not be done.

  56. Hi,
    Am new here but am humbled with your understanding of the scriptures. There is one doctrine that I have differed with many preachers whom I call false teachers. The issue of of women being bishops, pastors and so forth. Can you elaborate on it because my understanding is women are not supposed to be ordained as bishops or pastors.. What is your take on it?

    • Hello Paul… I’m glad that you wrote and expressed your question about this matter of leadership in the body of Christ. Surely there is much confusion on this and many are in the dark on what Scriptures teach. In fact, it would seem that most religious people are nearly unconcerned about the Biblical teaching on this matter. Instead of repeating myself from other articles, you will find something here that I just put up today: https://truediscipleship.com/homosexual-woman-methodist-bishop/. Also, if you will type in “bishop” or “pastor” into the search engine, I think you will find several articles. If you don’t find what you need, write back, okay? May God bless you!

  57. Bruce Lindahl says:

    Hello Richard, its been awhile since I last contacted you. I just came across another article that disputes your exclusive definition of baptizo and thus part of your criticism of Lutherans etc.

    http://www.reformedonline.com/uploads/1/5/0/3/15030584/chapter_6_sacraments.pdf

    Joh_6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

    Mat 5:9  “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. 

    Let us be sons of God!

    • Hello Bruce… Thank you again for writing and sharing what you have found.

      I think that several factors would be of interest to you. First, virtually all modern lexicons point out the meaning of the Greek terms, baptizo, baptisma, baptismos. Second, early church history shows that immersion was practiced from the very beginning. The exception seems to be the Didache (about AD 120 or so), that makes allowance for profuse pouring if enough water is not present. Third, the circumstantial evidence is persuasive. In other words, both Jesus’ baptism and the Ethiopian’s baptism involved a going to the water, a baptism, and then a coming from the water. Fourth, picturing baptism as a burial or a birth both point to immersion rather than either pouring or sprinkling. I might add that even when infant baptism began to arise in the third century, we suppose that dipping was the rule.

      All of this, Bruce, is persuasive. I would consider it if I were you. Baptism is too important to allow for something that large numbers of evangelicals would doubt or deny.

  58. I hope in The Lord Jesus you and Moni are doing well.

  59. magdalena zaleska says:

    i have read little bit from your blog,i liked the honour how you speak about God,and that you want glorify Him,if could help with what i think,if you are interested in my opinion,it could be more simple pages,for me too much words, too much complicated,we should be more like for children,more focused on Him ,about who He is,so He woul be in the centre,i didnt find on your blog if you are confessing Lord Jesus Christ came in flesh,that is the basic,how can i recognize if you are truly from God,I dont know if this is possible to recognise trough internet,sorry for my English,i hope i didnt heart you with my opinion

    • Magdalena, I am so glad that you wrote and expressed your concerns. It is true that we must make our focus the Lord Jesus Christ, that He came in the flesh and is fully deity. He is our Savior, our Lord, and our King!

      As for the matter of making articles that are shorter or less complicated, I would agree that there should be some of these. I would understand that English is not your mother tongue, thus the articles may present a challenge to you. I wish it were different. On the other hand, probably many (even the majority) of our readers do have English as their regular language, thus the articles may be somewhat easier for them. We must serve them too.

      Magdalena, I appreciate so much your desire to honor God in the way you speak. I assume that you also want your life to reflect His glory and you want your life to be lived in obedience to His will. This is so good! I hope that you will be able to read through the articles (maybe slowly) and derive some good from them. God loves you and we do too. There probably is so much on the website that will be of help to you and I hope that you will be able to learn by this means. May God bless you abundantly!

  60. Hi brother Hollerman, just found your site. Well written; thank you.
    brother Mark O’Brien

  61. Shelly, I am still interested in replying to your email if you would like to contact me by email. May God bless you.

  62. I forgot to ask you if you believe in the Trinity. This is a very important question to me. Thankyou

    • Susan, although I shy away from using non-Biblical and theological terms at times, I do believe that Jesus Christ is “God” (theos) (John 1:1-3, 14, 18), the Spirit is “God” (Acts 5:3-4; Matthew 28:19), and the Father is God (1 Cor. 8:6).

  63. Dear Richard, This has been some very interesting and thought provoking reading. I like the respectful way you answer people.Also,the promptness of your replies. I’m glad I found your site. Susan

    • Good morning Susan… Thank you for your response. Whether someone is searching, or one agrees with us, or one disagrees with us, we must always seek to be loving and respectful, and sometimes forceful. See passages such as Colossians 4:5-6; 2 Timothy 2:24-26; Ephesians 4:29; and Titus 1:9-13. May God bless you in your continued study and searching, for God’s glory.

  64. Hi i just a have a questions about communion, my husband has recently start going to a Lutheran church (i truly don’t know much about this church) he goes to church every saturday evening and sundays to both services while they offer communion at all three services he was able to partake in all three is this right? He was also offered communion his first visit at the church is the right/normal? Do they have to take a class to become a member/baptized? It is my understanding that you should be baptized before having communion and also repenting of sins. And i was unaware that you could take it that often. Also a question about lutherans and crosses do they use this as part of their main “feature” lack of the right word right now sorry. But since my husband has been going there is collecting them and has them all over our room (i have since moved out of the room because it makes me uncomfortable like a shrine of sorts) Also while i am on here could you please pray for him he seems to not be understanding the word. I have prayed for 19 years for him to find the lord and since he has started going to this church ( i am not blaming the church more his understanding of the church and his readings) has become more angry he seems to have gotten worse has more “hatred for me and his children” if we question him or his church we insult him etc. He asks me why i don’t like his church and when i start stating some reasons he gets offended and pouts. He always says i read the whole Bible and where ever we go he walks around cocky making sure everyone notices he has the Bible on him and wears many crosses. He also has been going around blessing peoples crosses and then if they don’t respond how he feels they should he said they should not be wearing “his lords” cross. Sorry for the rambling there are many issues to him just asking for prayers and clerification on some beliefs. Thank you

    • Hello Shelly! Thank you so much for writing and explaining your situation. I am thinking that it might be better to respond to you by email (unless you definitely want me to respond on the website). If you would like this, I could write to you. Do you have a secure email address? Just let me know. Truediscipleship (at) integrity.com.

  65. I am delighted to see your post.

    I am a simple Christian and found encouragement in reading the words of a young man who searches Scripture.

    My brothers are members of ELCA and are main organizers of their gay-pride sunday participation. This is a profound sadness for me. It caused me to spend months at BibleHub seeking responses to the #LoveIsLove theology. My work continues.

    I would like you to meet Pastor Jyothi Benjamin on Facebook if you would like to see early Christianity in action.

    God Bless you

    • Thank you so much for writing, Kathryn. I can see why you are sad because of your brothers who are part of the Lutheran Church and yet are very pro-sodomite. Sadly, they would probably fit in with those in Sodom at the time of Lot’s stay there.

      I would encourage you to be strong in the Scriptures and do not be moved away from the high-sounding arguments that unbelieving and compromising people will put forth. In the case of your brothers, it would be good to establish Biblical authority with them and from that show them that many passages of the inspired Word condemns the sodomite practice and lifestyle. It should be troubling for them to realize that no sodomite (or homosexual) will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Hebrews 13:4).

      May God bless you! And, by the way, check out what we have written concerning the Lutheran Church. As you know, I left the Lutheran Church years ago. Richard

  66. Paul Bomberger says:

    Yes! You definitely have my permission to use any part, or my entire letter. I would ask you to correct sections in which I repeated words, & errors in grammar, & spelling.
    It seems to me that the main purpose for learning wisdom is to be prepared to pass it onto others, when a door of opportunity opens.
    Thank you for your dedication to plumbing the depths the original meanings, in order to teach true believers how to understand passages which seem unclear, &/or confusing. Few in number are serious Bible scholars. Of those who seek absolute truth, only a small % write physical books, or pamphlets, which generally go unread.
    Your website will reach millions of people, equipping them to be better prepared to defend their beliefs based on accurate understanding of scripture.
    It will also draw in non-believers in a non-threatening environment; a perfect example of becoming all things to all people, that by all means, some might be save.
    With Christ’s love, paul

    • Dear Paul,

      Thank you so much for your comments and your gracious spirit in answering. I also appreciate your permission to use your letter. Let us always seek the truth of God with all of our heart! Let us love Him, trust Him, serve Him, and obey Him with all we are and have!

  67. Paul Bomberger says:

    Richard,
    I began seriously studying the Bible in 1974. I struggled for many years trying to understand to understand the 1611 King James Translation; because the churches I belonged to during the first 5-6 years of my walk with Jesus.
    I tried to convince many people God speaks to each individual in a language they can understand. A friend of mine for more than 35 years ademently insists in KJV only. We’ve had hundreds of conversations during those years.
    Granted, he has spent 1,000s o hours studying KJV, & has much knowledge. Paraphrasing; “knowledge pufeth up, but charity edifieth.”
    Our debate one day became so heated that I angrily stated, “That is a doctrine straight from Hell!!”. Satan would love to have everyone believe that 1611 British English is the only accurate translation of God’s Word; knowing that the vast majority could not correctly understand what they read.
    The apostle Paul explained his approach to witnessing & teaching to a variety of people: Jews, Romans, & so on. I Cor. 9:20-23 is a key statement to buttress defenses of valid modern translations, & contemporary Christian music.
    There are antithetical translations which should ignored, & so-called contemporary Christian music which violates Truth.
    I Cor. 19-22: (NAS) 19 “For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, that I might win the more. 20 And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win the Jews; to those under the Law, as under the Law, though not being myself under the Law, that I might win those who are under the law;
    21 to those who are without law, as without the law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, that I might win those win those who are without the law.
    22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some.”
    This section of scripture speaks to many contentious issues including, but not limited to, translations, songs & music used in serving Jesus, what to wear, keeping in mind modesty, & eschewing clothes which might tempt others to lust, as well as a plethora of other aspects of living our lives in a manner of obedience to God’s Word. In this way we are a pleasing fragrance to God, being true servants which brings Jesus joy.

    • Paul, thank you for writing about such an important issue. It would seem that you have arrived at a solid and Scriptural foundation for your belief that one can use a modern version, providing that it is accurate and true. I wholeheartedly agree.
      May I have your permission to use your letter? I think that I could use parts or the whole letter in the Questions Answered section. Would you grant such permission? In this way, I can comment much more extensively.
      Thank you. –Richard

  68. David Agbosu says:

    Thank you for the great work you are doing. God bless you.

    I would like to know why does the righteous suffer? Why does God allow suffering on the righteous ?

    • David, this is an excellent question and God does reveal something about this–although not as much as we might want.

      For the Christian, God sometimes wants to refine us, teach us, and help us to grow spiritually. This might also lead us away from sinful attitudes and behavior. You might want to read Hebrews 12:7-11 and 2 Corinthians 12:7-10.

      Second, God can help us to become more empathetic with the sorrows and pain of others.2 Corinthians 1:3-6.

      Third, following Jesus the Lord may sometimes bring suffering, rejection, and hardship. Thus, it serves as a reminder of our discipleship to Christ. (See 2 Timothy 3:12.)

      Fourth, we also know that unbelievers suffer in many ways. When it happens that a Muslim, a Hindu, a Buddhist, a Jewish person, a Catholic, or others experience pain, it could be God mercifully reaching out to that person to draw him or her to Himself through Christ Jesus.

      I hope that you will find that other articles on this website will help you further. May God bless you, David.

  69. So I typed in “is music evil” and the first hit was true discipleship . Com
    Read ALL about how the “rock beat” was evil. This had the claim that there was scripture backing this up…sadly there was not. Anyways, the claim is that a repetitious off beat is bad. It made the point that beat theory and syncopation was not understandable for animals so it must be bad for humans. Anyways, Gods original design for me was perfect. Perfect! I absolutely Love him for this. One of the many gifts he has given me is rhythm. He gave me a heart beat that I can always feel. Because there is a second chamber for the heart if you listen closely, it will sound like two separate beats, a ” repetitious Off beat ” built inside me. Why would he give that to every single human that has every existed and will ever exist and even to his own Son if it was a bad thing?

    • Hello Ted…

      I’m glad that you wrote your message about the evils of rock music. There are many reasons why rock, as well as many other kinds of music (hip hop, country, etc.), would be objectionable to God and the way of holiness.

      It has been an objection to worldly music with the use of three “M’s” and this would be: (1) The Message. Of course, secular music would be objectionable because it is filled with sex, rebellion, drugs, etc. And much “Christian” music would be a problem because of the content being questionable (see below); (2) The Messengers. In other words, the singers and instrumentalists. Most are living religious but worldly lives, thus they are unfit as role models. Or the singers might be women, and Scripture says that a woman is not to teach or exercise authority over the man–but to remain quiet (1 Timothy 2:11-12; 1 Cor. 14:33-37). (3) The Music. And this is where you come in.

      If I am understanding you, regardless of the other objectionable parts, you think that the music itself is permissible. Ted, this makes me wonder if you might have been “braidwashed” by former listening to worldly secular rock music. Was this so?

      As you grow in your appreciation of the Christian lifestyle, the Christian worldview, the Christian view of entertainment and worship, and like elements, you will come to see that the loud, pounding beat, the wild expressions, the drums and guitars, are all of the world in regard to so-called “Christian” music.

      Another thing for you to consider is this: Is there a reason why the New Testament refers to a cappella (without instrumentation) Christian music maybe 7 or 8 times, whereas there is no reference to any instruments at all? Most commentators and students of music and history, point out that the early Christians, for many hundreds of years, refused to use instruments of music with their singing. I think that if this was adopted today, your own objections and the objections of many other people would be removed.

      Please think and pray about this. May God bless you!

  70. I hope that you will check out the 1,700 different articles available on the website, Truediscipleship.com. I don’t know exactly what you are seeking, but there must be something of interest and value on the site for you. May God bless you in your quest.

  71. I wish that I could recommend other blog sites, but at present I cannot. I don’t follow them myself, thus I don’t have firsthand information on what is available. There surely must be many good ones–in the midst of millions of bad and unscriptural ones. I hope that you will check out the 1,700 different articles we do have on TrueDiscipleship.com. May God bless you!

  72. joseph onyango says:

    Richarc you discovered truly tha my message wasnot complete but half way. True am try to tell you that as far as i have read your articles i come to learn that if what what your aregiving us hre inthe web could have reached many many peole i think there could be a great change in peoples lives. Justimagine majority do not visit websites and majority do not vist cybercafes for they they have no knowledge on them.
    Africa we have so many denominations that pastors have no formal traing in biblical studies and the have anumber of beievers who trusted whatthey prach and in the real sence they are Apostate churhes.In my country alone so many false preachers arenmberless i can not count. They preach no tuth at all . Reason they have changedthe gospel to thir benet and decieved believers even in the case of Baptism.
    Richacrd i will send you some copies of the recnent published Newspaper and you will be shocked to see how thegospel is ruined and people still folow without realising the thedefects.That is why am requesting you please God has blessed you with something which if you can disseminate to Africa i believe some will be saved. You know Bible Schools are vey expensive and thats why most pastors cannot afford to pay so they draw and claim that they preaching with power of the spirit in real ense not true.
    Richard what i learned in Bible school acording to you God has gifted you.
    You take onWomen Pastors i agree with you for that is how we taught. Butin country we lots of Women Pastors and this gospel of Women Ordination is contraversial they have already done aay with this book Icor 14;34-47.
    But Gods word cannot change the world can do but Not God.
    Please I believe thereis nothing imposible with God Lk1;37 one day God will send you to Africa and Help thes Pastors

    • Joseph, I am very glad and highly privileged to receive your thoughtful and true comments. I can see that you have been unwilling to accept anything that some preacher tells you, but you want to discover whether what people say is based on the Word of God. This is so important!
      One reason it is important is that the Bible is God’s Word, and it is inspired of the Holy Spirit (2 Timothy 3:16-17), and it brings us to salvation (v. 15).
      Another reason is that it will judge us on the Last Day, the Day of Judgment. Jesus said this at John 12:48.
      Joseph, as you know, all false doctrines and false ways and false practices must be judged by the Word of the Living God. Regardless of how many preachers, teachers, pastors, priests, or so-called prophets may promote something, we still must go back to what God has said. All traditions must fall in light of God’s truth contained in His written Word. Jesus said to people in His day, “Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men” (Mark 7:8; see also vv.9-13).
      Joseph, you mentioned certain false teachings, such as women preachers and pastors, as well as infant baptism (actually sprinkling or pouring). Yes, both of these false practices and must be rejected, according to God’s will. But there are many more!
      I hope that you continue to search the TrueDiscipleship.com website and look for more information that may help you and others whom you may know.
      May God bless you richly, Joseph.
      –Richard

    • Joseph, I am very glad and highly privileged to receive your thoughtful and true comments. I can see that you have been unwilling to accept anything that some preacher tells you, but you want to discover whether what people say is based on the Word of God. This is so important!
      One reason it is important is that the Bible is God’s Word, and it is inspired of the Holy Spirit (2 Timothy 3:16-17), and it brings us to salvation (v. 15).
      Another reason is that it will judge us on the Last Day, the Day of Judgment. Jesus said this at John 12:48.
      Joseph, as you know, all false doctrines and false ways and false practices must be judged by the Word of the Living God. Regardless of how many preachers, teachers, pastors, priests, or so-called prophets may promote something, we still must go back to what God has said. All traditions must fall in light of God’s truth contained in His written Word. Jesus said to people in His day, “Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men” (Mark 7:8; see also vv.9-13).
      Joseph, you mentioned certain false teachings, such as women preachers and pastors, as well as infant baptism (actually sprinkling or pouring). Yes, both of these false practices and must be rejected, according to God’s will. But there are many more!
      I hope that you continue to search the TrueDiscipleship.com website and look for more information that may help you and others whom you may know.
      May God bless you richly, Joseph.
      –Richard

  73. joseph onyango says:

    Richard
    So interesting and inspirational your articlesinthis web . I do nnot want stop but time. Now am coming to my senses that am still a babe in Biblical studies am proud that am now learning more and isuppose that you could have establish a theological school in Kenya. Surely i can see a light through the t unnel, God is Good

    • Joseph, it seems that your message was cut off somewhat, but we do thank you for responding to the True Discipleship website. We want to be helpful and truthful in everything that is put up for people to read. Paul says that Scripture is meant to lead us to salvation (2 Timothy 3:15), and also meant to be useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness (vv. 16-17). This too is the purpose that we would use Scripture in the many articles. We want to be a blessing to all of the readers, wherever they may be. May you be blessed as you read each article and consider it in light of God’s infallible Word.

    • Joseph, it seems that your message was cut off somewhat, but we do thank you for responding to the True Discipleship website. We want to be helpful and truthful in everything that is put up for people to read. Paul says that Scripture is meant to lead us to salvation (2 Timothy 3:15), and also meant to be useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness (vv. 16-17). This too is the purpose that we would use Scripture in the many articles. We want to be a blessing to all of the readers, wherever they may be. May you be blessed as you read each article and consider it in light of God’s infallible Word.

  74. joseph onyango says:

    Richard
    Now am understanding your articles well since youtold me look for such .really i find the truth is here may God keep it up and moere and more . Very inspirational indeed

    • Thank you again for writing, Joseph. I am glad that you are finding value in the True Discipleship articles you have checked. There are many hundreds of them, so there are many more for you to read and consider. May God bless you in your reading and study, and may He give you the opportunity to understand and obey whatever you read that is in accordance with God’s will.

  75. P.s. Hard to read your blog becuz print too small.
    Ominous should be coming (have to figure out how to take off auto spell check).

    • Greetings,
      Thanks for you comment. I work on the technical aspects of of the site. Richard has been telling me the font size should be increased but I haven’t found an issue. I have viewed the site from smart phones, tablets, various versions of windows pcs and everything seems fine. You have been the first to make mention that the size is too small (other than Richard).

      I did increase the font size 1 pixel. Let me know what you think, and again thanks for your comments.

      Tony

  76. Ri hard: Having come out of a very legalist movement (won’t consider them a church) nothing but guilt, condemnation, criticism, and belittling not to mention all the lies to keep the sheeple sick, in bondage and. Ominous back for more. Re: “Christian Worship and Women Singers”: Research matters now: Have you read “10 Lies The Church Tells Women and Lies Men Believe by J. Lee Grady (talk with him) and When Women Were Priest by Karen Jo Torjesen, Rethinking Women in Ministry-Beyond Evangelical -Frank Viola (4-17-2012 essay). What about that wonderful book about “All Women in the Bible”. What about book: Pagan Christianity (green cover) by Frank Viola all the Lies/ Dogma that Church Leadership has served up. Have not read “Women in the Church: A Biblical Theology of Women in Ministry by Stanley Grenz/Denise Kjesbo”.

    Reasearch a matter: abused by name of church/abused by name of pastor
    Controversial articles name of church/controversial articles name of pastor
    People’s negative feedback name of church/people’s negative feedback name of pastor
    Scandal name of church/scandal name of pastor.
    That’s how found your website by researching Jackie Alnor’s 2003 article on Joel Osteen. By the way, David Wilkerson wrote “Troublemakers In the Church” 6/2007 (previous 1988) based on one woman and he was praying for armies of troublemakers in general. My personal favorite holy guys are Leonard Ravenhill (why revival Tarries, America is too young to die, sodom had no bible, tried and transfigured) and Arthur Katz (Apostolic Foundations, Reality-The Hope of Glory, Prophetic Call, Spirit of Truth). Paul in the Bible said he kept the traditions of men.
    Can give you scores of books on church abuse/lies like: Don’t Call Me Brother by Austin Miles, Losing My Religion by Wm Lobdell, Toxic Faith by Arterburn, Blue Print by Clifford James, Salvation for Sale by Straub, Marjoe Documentary, DVD-Lord, Save Us From Your Followers, Accidental Saints by weber, Cages of Pain by Gordon Aeschliman, Christian Brainwashing by D i c k Sutphen to name just drop in the bucket.
    P.s. I do not want to be added to any type of daily or mailing list. Tks.

    • Greetings Mrs. Schwartz. I’m so glad that you wrote and explained yourself. I see that you are widely read and have done a lot of research. I have some of the same books that you have mentioned or recommended. Of course, some (not all) of them recommend home groups and getting away from institutional churches and denominations, and I can Amen that. Some are Pentecostal and Wesleyan in background, and I do try to learn what I can whatever background a person is from. I find that I can learn something from even false teachers and preachers, some of which you have mentioned.
      Mrs. Schwartz (sorry that I didn’t pick up your name), I can see that you must have left what you considered legalism, but I just wonder what you mean by that label? As you know, that word can be thrown around to mean different things, some of which is good and some bad. So we must be sure we are renouncing what God has renounced. On the other hand, some have left what they thought was “legalism” when in reality they were rebelling against God’s own Word.
      There are some signs that you have fallen into a false liberalism that rejects Biblical standards. And remember that the restrictions on women speaking in the meetings and leading (as in 1 Cor. 14:33-37) are actually “the Lord’s commands” rather than Paul’s views (v. 37). I guess you are familiar with the fact that there were no female elders, preachers, deacons, overseers, or apostles in the early community of Christ (I assume you know the Biblical passages on this). This is what makes me reject the modern “evangelical” (?) feminism that opens the door to women’s public participation. I know that this doesn’t sit well with the ones who would throw off all restraint and fall into modern society, but the way of Christ and the apostles has always been counter-cultural.
      Mrs. Schwartz, I hope you will consider these things carefully. May God bless you.

  77. Richard, The following web site articles are among many that put up a defense of infant Baptism. I happen to believe that they make sense and do not defy scripture.

    http://www.risensaviorlcms.org/brochures/Why_Infant_Baptism.pdf
    http://www.prca.org/articles/infant_baptism.html

    In any case we know: Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

    Peace!

  78. Richard, In case you can’t find the Fairfield document I referred to it can be found at:

    http://truthinheart.com/EarlyOberlinCD/CD/Doctrine/Baptism.htm

    This is not the paraphrased version I mentioned in my note. As regards to what I believe about this topic — I currently concur with Fairfield and Cliff Bjork ( who by the way was also at one time a Baptist pastor). However I don’t always agree with denomination of the congregation I currently am a member of (LCMS) and left the church of my youth because of their false teachings and practices (ELCA).
    I’m trying to convince our congregational leadership to go to an every week (or more) Holy Communion schedule. In searching the internet for more info on that subject I came across your site.

    Blessings,
    Bruce

    • Thank you again, Bruce. I appreciate your writing and the additional information. I can look up the article on the internet that you are directing me to and also find the book you mentioned through Interlibrary Loan. I don’t know if you have ever seen or read the book by T. J. Conant entitled “The Meaning and Use of Baptizein.” It is worth checking out.
      Bruce, I understand that you left the liberal Evangelical Lutherans and are now with the Missouri Synod Lutherans; is this correct? And do you not find various false teachings there as well–such as baby baptism, baptismal regeneration, denominationalism, and a host of other elements?
      Further, regarding baptism, does it not concern you that the vast majority of Greek lexicons, Bible dictionaries, Bible encyclopedias, and early church history books, define baptism as immersion and say that the early church for centuries practiced immersion (except for so-called “clinic” baptism)?
      Well, thank you again for writing and I’ll check out what you are recommending.

  79. Have you read the book “Letters on Baptism” by Edmund B. Fairfield D.D. etc? At the time he started his study on Baptism he was a prominent and solid Baptist and had set out to defend the Baptist viewpoint. His exhaustive study caused him to conclude that the Greek word baptizo cannot mean exclusively “to immerse” as Baptists adamantly insist. As a result of his study hw found it impossible to remain a minister of the Gospel in any Baptist denomination. This book was originally published in 1893 but an easier to read edited and paraphrased version has been published and distributed by Cliff Bjork — Word of Life Fellowship, 366 Bench Street, PO Box 295 Taylor Falls MN 55084, tele: 651-465-7373.

    • Thank you, Bruce, for the information. I would like to check into this. If there is anything that can refine my understanding of God’s Word and Will, I would seek it. After many years of study, at present, my understanding would be: (1) The Greek word at the time of the NT, was that baptizo does mean to immerse, sink, overwhelm, submerge, or dip. (2) History seems to say that in the first, second, and third centuries, baptism continued to be immersion, except for the case of the Didache (where one could pour water profusely if there was insufficient water); (the early “church fathers” unanimously referred to baptism as a birth, a resurrection, an immersion. The exception would be a “clinic” (or deathbed) conversion where profuse pouring was permitted. But perhaps Fairfield has some further information. Thank you, Bruce. P.S. I should ask just what your view is.

  80. Norris, thank you for posting this comment. It is a significant verse. However, do you care to share with us how you think this should be applied? Thank you.

  81. For this perfume might have been sold for over three hundred denarii, and the money given to the poor. And they were scolding her.

  82. Jeffrey, again it is so good that you are writing and sharing the account of your life–your past 60 years. Now, I suggest that we transfer our conversation to the Blog section of this site. I’ll continue there. Just click Blog (as you did a day or two ago) and you’ll find me there!

  83. Thank you Richard for taking time out of your busy day. I live near Cleveland, Oh. I have read many many articles on your site and even the one regarding the Church of Christ. My parents were both members. I have never been baptised however I realize its importance. When I search this church it comes up as a “cult” because they are the only true church, baptism regeneration, not affialiating with other christians and much more. I may start there just because I believe allot of their basic doctrine are similar to the true church. Last year I turned sixty and on my birthday I asked God to help me have eternal life! It was the first time I prayed in my life. About a month later I started searching scripture on the gospel. I am consumed every nite and can’t to get home to start reading. I really am a little lost on what is the true way to salvation. I know it is so much more than just believing but faith is the first step. Thank you

  84. Greetings Jeffery…. I’m so glad that you chose to respond with such an important but difficult question. If you and I were sitting at a table and we could discuss what is on your heart, I would share a few things.

    First, it is so good that you do seem to have a respect for God and His Word. Both of these are important–even essential. God is the very reason why we are here and He is the basis for our existence. We are to love and trust and obey Him. Second, God loved us so much that He freely gave His beloved Son–who came to this land of sin in order to become our Savior by dying on the cross for our sins, then God raised Jesus from the dead that He might be our living Lord.

    Second, it is also good that you see a need in your life so that you understand that you must do something to respond to God and receive His forgiveness and reconciliation with Him.
    Third, it is also good that you think in terms of fellowship with others who have come to God through Christ. And, as you can see, the denominational “churchianity” way is not the way to go. Jesus is the only way and we should be with others who have come to know the Lord.

    Jeffrey, obviously we can’t settle these weighty matters here but I would recommend that you search the website thoroughly and you will find many dozens of articles that will help you, encourage you, and instruct you how to take you from where you now are to where God wants you to be.

    Use the “Search” feature (at the upper right) on the home page, and look for
    Are You Truly a Christian?” Also check for “Shipwreck to Salvation.” There is another one entitled “Christians Only?” Then there is one entitled, “Living for the Lord in a Wicked World.” As you proceed further in your quest, you may want to check this one: “Come Out, and Come Together!”

    These are some suggestions, but there are many more there for you to read. (Presently, there are about 1,750 different articles.) By the way, where are you located? Go ahead and read the ones suggested and continue to search important subjects in the various categories of articles. Keep me informed on how you are doing. –Richard

  85. Jeffery Wright says:

    Richard

    I thoroughly enjoy your website. I want to become a Christian and I am looking for a church that practices and lives God’s word. Can you recommend one? I am leaning towards a nondenominational church.

  86. Greetings in Christ!

    I recently discovered your site in my search for what I would call biblical and apostolic Christianity. I believe I will frequently visit it.

    I am a Lutheran bishop in my 60’s who at this stage in my life and ministry am discovering some rather challenging and refreshing truths our of the pages of the New Testament.

    Please pray for me and my wife Carmen as we move along this journey.

    • Hello Juan,

      I’m so glad that you discovered our True Discipleship website. We had it for about 16 years but only a few months ago began a long process of reformatting things into a brand new site. I hope it will prove to be usable for you!

      I’m interested in what you say about your religious background. You do appear to be a sincere and seeking man, with plenty of experience, and a wholesome trust in God’s Word. I remember what Yahweh God said, as recorded at Isaiah 66:2b: “To this one I will look, to him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word.”

      From what you say, you are one who “trembles” at God’s Word and want to approach it with an open heart and seeking mind. May God be praised! I hope that you continue to search the website (there are about 1,750 different articles) and examine many of the titles that you will find profitable.

      May the Lord bless you and please feel free to write whenever you can!

      Richard

  87. Thank you for your site. I am studying much of the same topics that you are writing about, so I find it very interesting. I have only look at a few of your articles and I have made the same conclusions that you have written.

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