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  1. Reading through some of your commemts scares me. Mixed swimming pools… omg thats horrible…not. Boys swimming with girls is no problem. Even less of a problem if theres a parent there. But still no problem. Boys and girls should not be seperated by their gender, they should be given the opportunity to have fun and make friends with kids from the other gender.

    • Hello Suzan…
      Thanks so much for writing, Suzan.
      I realize that the issue that you raised–that of the genders going swimming together–is a difficult one. And it is hard to answer very directly here.

      I don’t know if you profess to know the Lord Jesus or not, but God’s way is one of purity and holiness (Hebrews 12:14). He doesn’t want any thought, word, or activity that will feed the lust of young people or adults (Romans 1:24).

      Since we are living in a wicked world and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one (Satan) (1 John 5:19), it is easy for us to fall into the world’s way of thinking and acting. Somehow we assume that the music of the world, the literature of the world, the entertainment or recreation of the world, the clothing of the world, the education of the world–are all permissible and acceptable to the Christian.

      Actually, most of the things that we take for granted are not acceptable. God calls us to rise higher than this and live a different kind of life. We must not be conformed to the world around us (Romans 12:1-2; James 4:4; 1 John 2:15-17). We must be different.

      When we are talking about boys and girls taking most of their clothes off, this is the problem. We are not talking about 2-year-olds, but those who are older, as well as teenagers (especially), as well as those who are much older as adults. We must preserve our modesty and decency (see 1 Timothy 2:9-10 and 1 Peter 3:3-4). we must not contribute to the wrongful thoughts of others (see Jesus’ words at Matthew 5:27-30).

      First, Suzan, I encourage you to make sure of your own salvation (2 Corinthians 13:5), then read some of the article on this website. There are many that relate to modesty and clothing.

      Thank you again for writing and I hope that these thoughts will help in some measure. May God bless you!

  2. Bruce Lindahl says:

    Richard, I think you might find this article interesting.

    http://www.lutherquest.org/walther/articles/nameLuth.htm

    Regards,

    • Thank you so much, Bruce!

      I take it that you are a committed Lutheran?

      I would encourage you to not only focus on the article, “Why I Left the Lutheran Church,” but examine many of the other 1,800 different articles on the site. There are many that apply directly to the question of whether the Lutheran denomination is unscriptural and should be renounced? And whether many of the doctrines and practices of this denomination should be followed.

      Please do this for your own sake, Bruce. Once again, thank you so much for your communication!

      May God be glorified today and always!

  3. Hey Richard,

    I admire your affinity for the Bible. But, theologically, I think you missed the boat. I admire the Lutheran theology and consider it to be true to scripture and insightful. Perhaps you should truly understand Lutheran theology before you publicly claim it to be contrary to the Bible.

    • Hello Mike…. I am very glad that you have written and expressed yourself. I realize that there are tens of millions of Lutherans in the world who elevate Luther, quote Luther, and follow his theology. And there are other Protestants who admire some of what he stood for who are not Lutherans. However, our chief desire should be to examine what Luther wrote and compare this with the Scriptures. If God has said something, we had better receive it. And if God condemns something, let us also condemn it. God knows best. We ought to obey God rather than man (Acts 5:29). We need to take God’s inspired and inerrant Word over any word spoken or written by a mere mortal man. (See 2 Timothy 3:15-17; 4:1-6). I hope that you will check out all of the articles that you will find on the Truediscipleship.com website. There are hundreds that would profitable for you to check out and carefully study.

  4. Ryan Conley says:

    Richard, I enjoyed reading your Lutheran article. As I was concerned ntenplating the Lutheran Doctrine but something’s I didn’t agree with. Honestly, I’m stuck. I don’t completely agree with Pentecostals nor the baptist or any other denomination that I’ve found. It seems my denomination is Christian. But the issue o have is I’m not able to find a biblical sound church.
    If you can recommend anything I’d appreciate it.

    • Greetings Ryan…

      I’m so glad that you chose to write and express your perplexity about the Lutheran Church and what other churches are in existence that claim to be “Christian.”

      Although I don’t have the full answer for you (or for others), let’s proceed cautiously and with a firm faith in the reliability of God’s written Word. Without this, we are in a leaky rowboat in the middle of the Pacific! But with the Scriptures, we can proceed with the kind of solid foundation that our Lord presented in Matthew 7:24-27 (see also vv. 21-23).

      First, as you read the Lutheran article and compared it with Scripture, are you entirely sure that this denomination is different from the first century community of believers? As you compare the various Lutheran denominations (there must be a dozen or so) with Scripture, you will find a wide divergence that we must not overlook. Some are very traditional and depend on the Book of Concord (such as the Wisconsin Synod or the Missouri Synod) and some are far more liberal–accepting abortion, women’s participation, sexual immorality (such as homosexuality, divorce and remarriage, etc.), and much more.

      Next, I would recommend that you read the book of Acts repeatedly as well as Romans to Revelation. Become very familiar with this portion of the Scriptures so that you will be able to see what to believe and how to live.

      Next, consider the subject of salvation in general. I had to come face to face with the fact that I was lost and alienated from God. I needed to be saved just as we read about in the Bible. There would be dozens of articles on this matter on the True Discipleship website.

      As you see this clearly, you will want to be saved just as Scripture presents it. Further, you will want to reject denominationalism in general for a dozen different reasons. The ones you mentioned have many negatives that you will want to avoid. Again, check out the True Discipleship website, especially General Topics and Biblical Subjects. Use the “Search” feature to type in what you are seeking. There are many articles on what the early Christians were like and the fact that we should be like them.

      Ryan, as you proceed in your studies, I hope that you write back and let us know what you are learning. There is more that could be said, but this is sufficient for now.

      May God bless you in your holy search.

  5. why do you think Jesus did not appear to his enemies after the resurrection?

    • Hello Daryl, it is good that you do observe that Jesus appeared to certain disciples and not to the general population of Judea or Galilee during the 40 days after the resurrection and until the ascension (Acts 1).

      The appearances of our Lord were given for a specific reason–to give these men the qualifications to become apostles and also to be general “witnesses” to others. Today the term “witness” seems to be used in a wrong or questionable way, as compared to the NT.

      Those who saw the resurrected Christ were to be witnesses of Jesus and His resurrection. I encourage you to look up such verses as the following: Acts 1:8, 21-26; 2:32; Luke 24:48; John 15:27; Acts 4:20; 5:32; 10:39-41. Maybe this will help. May God bless you and all of us as we search the Scriptures to understand further aspects of God’s truth (cf. Acts 17:11).

  6. Grace to you and good health,

    We would like to know what is your position and also biblical grounds for youth camps, or other types of camps.
    thanks and God bless you

    • Dear Urie,
      Thank you for writing and asking this question. I might say that I (personally) don’t have all of the wisdom to answer every question that may be asked.

      As for “youth camps,” I can’t say that I know very much about them. I haven’t been around situations or congregations where this has been a practice.

      However, mixed camps would seem to pose a real problem. When one has a mixture of the genders (especially when there is a temptation for the boys and girls to removed some of their clothes), this would be a serious problem that must be avoided. You probably know many of the scriptures and principles involved (Matthew 5:27-30; 1 Timothy 2:9-10; 1 Peter 3:3-4; etc.).

      The little I know about these venues would suggest that there are some things done there that would be foolish or questionable–such as mixed swimming, sports, etc.

      Further, another issue comes to mind. Do we just give young people (perhaps age 6 or 8 or 10 or 12, on up to age 18) into the hands of other people? Shouldn’t children be under the direct supervision of the parents?

      These are a few of the aspects that come to mind. May God bless you and help you to always choose what is wise and good for your children and especially would be glorifying to God!

  7. Mr. Hollerman, what about responsive readings of Scripture? Many churches at some part of their regular formal worship services often engage in responsive readings of Scripture, and recite Scripture-passages and even set prayers in union in an audible voice, repeating after the minister. Using your logic, it would seem that women are not to LEAD in responsive readings and recitations, but they may join with the rest of the congregation reciting them in an audible voice.

    Then why is it that a certain Fundamentalist Presbyterian clergyman, using exactly the same verses of Scripture you used (yea, and using the same exact Regulative Principle of Public Worship that you are using) said the following ?

    https://reformedbooksonline.com/topics/topics-by-subject/worship/responsive-readings/:

    ‘Responsive Readings Forbidden by Scripture
    Not only are there no unison, responsive congregational readings in the Bible, nor can such be necessarily derived from Scripture, but [on the contrary] the Bible [EXPLICITLY] forbids them. In the context of social worship, the apostle directs [exactly the SAME things as are written in `1 Timothy 2:8, 11, 12]’, as this is befitting the intended created order, the natural constitution of the sexes, and the natural relation between the sexes (1 Tim. 2:13-15; Gen. 2:21-22; 1 Cor. 11:3; 1 Pet. 3:1-7). While lady-prophets prophesied in the apostolic Church, and prayed (Acts 11:5), as all people do, silently along with the male person leading (Acts 4:24-25; 1:14, see this also as the universal practice in the O.T.), such prophesying by ladies was intended as extraordinary (Acts 2:17) to that time. The general rule, as Paul goes on to say later in that same context, was for ‘women [to] keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak [which word in the NT Greek is *LALEIN* – which you interpret as addressing or haranguing in the Church worship service, but not as including the act of SINGING in church congregationally]; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.’ (1 Cor. 14:34) Thus, when the apostle Paul, later in New Testament history, gives direction for the permanent prescribed order for the continuance of the Church, he directs that ladies, again, remain silent in the due course of social worship (1 Tim. 2:11,12). What applies to ladies, also applies to children reading God’s Word publicly in worship. (Isa. 3:12)’

    If your logic is correct, then the quibble that these verses of Scripture only forbid women to PUBLICLY read the Bible TO the rest of the congregation in the capacity of a public addresser of an assembly could be maintained. But this is exactly the argument the Presbyterian Westminster Divines who wrote the Directory of Public Worship REJECTED!

    ‘Thus, it is not surprising that the Westminster Larger Catechism (which most Presbyterian office-bearers have sworn to uphold) positively forbids responsive readings:
    #156: Is the Word of God to be read by all?
    Although all are not to be permitted to read the word publicly to the congregation,¹ yet all sorts of people are bound to read it apart by themselves… ¹ Deut. 31:9,11-13; Neh. 8:2,3; Neh. 9:3-5
    The quibble that L.C. #156 only forbids lay persons from reading the Word to the congregation, and not the congregation responding in kind to the minister, cannot be sustained. The original intent of the Catechism is further known from the other Westminster documents and writings of the divines, including:
    The Westminster Form of Presbyterial Church Government, which (after giving scriptural and theological arguments) uses no such qualification, but says ‘that the public reading of the scriptures belongeth to the pastor’s office.’
    The Preface to The Westminster Directory for Public Worship (see below) makes it clear that the intent of the Assembly was to get rid of, in whole, all the responsive readings of the Roman and Anglican Churches, according to the Will of God in Scripture. Thus the Directory does not use the qualification of ‘to the congregation’, but limits the public reading of the Word to pastors and teachers because it is ‘part of the public worship of God’:
    ‘Reading of the Word in the congregation, being part of the public worship of God… is to be performed by the pastors and teachers.’
    See also the eight books that Westminster divines wrote against the Anglican service book, here: The Works of the Westminster Divines on Worship)
    It should also be noted that arguments for responsive readings (such as Rev. Shisko’s above) usually use Eph. 5:19 (‘speaking to yourselves in psalms, hymns, etc.’) as warrant for the congregation reading Scripture not simply to the minister, but to themselves, the congregation, which Larger Catechism #156 explicitly forbids.’

    Does your Church allow responsive readings of Scripture, or does your church maintain that the Bible excludes them?

    • Mr. Hollerman, what about responsive readings of Scripture? Many churches at some part of their regular formal worship services often engage in responsive readings of Scripture, and recite Scripture-passages and even set prayers in union in an audible voice, repeating after the minister.

      Juan, it sounds like you come from a formalistic liturgical form of denomination. Have you considered that this may be very far from what the early Christians were–before the apostasy?

      Using your logic, it would seem that women are not to LEAD in responsive readings and recitations, but they may join with the rest of the congregation reciting them in an audible voice.

      All we know is what we read in such places as 1 Timothy 2:8, 11-15; 1 Corinthians 14:33-37; and many other passages.

      Then why is it that a certain Fundamentalist Presbyterian clergyman, using exactly the same verses of Scripture you used (yea, and using the same exact Regulative Principle of Public Worship that you are using) said the following ?

      https://reformedbooksonline.com/topics/topics-by-subject/worship/responsive-readings/:

      ‘Responsive Readings Forbidden by Scripture
      Not only are there no unison, responsive congregational readings in the Bible, nor can such be necessarily derived from Scripture, but [on the contrary] the Bible [EXPLICITLY] forbids them. In the context of social worship, the apostle directs [exactly the SAME things as are written in `1 Timothy 2:8, 11, 12]’, as this is befitting the intended created order, the natural constitution of the sexes, and the natural relation between the sexes (1 Tim. 2:13-15; Gen. 2:21-22; 1 Cor. 11:3; 1 Pet. 3:1-7).

      I think that we can see the logic to his discussion here.

      While lady-prophets prophesied in the apostolic Church, and prayed (Acts 11:5), as all people do, silently along with the male person leading (Acts 4:24-25; 1:14, see this also as the universal practice in the O.T.), such prophesying by ladies was intended as extraordinary (Acts 2:17) to that time.

      The prophesying of women in Acts 2 and 1 Corinthians 11 might have been done away from the assembly, but in the presence of other women in private settings.

      The general rule, as Paul goes on to say later in that same context, was for ‘women [to] keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak [which word in the NT Greek is *LALEIN* – which you interpret as addressing or haranguing in the Church worship service, but not as including the act of SINGING in church congregationally]; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.’ (1 Cor. 14:34)

      Thus, when the apostle Paul, later in New Testament history, gives direction for the permanent prescribed order for the continuance of the Church, he directs that ladies, again, remain silent in the due course of social worship (1 Tim. 2:11,12). What applies to ladies, also applies to children reading God’s Word publicly in worship. (Isa. 3:12)’

      If your logic is correct, then the quibble that these verses of Scripture only forbid women to PUBLICLY read the Bible TO the rest of the congregation in the capacity of a public addresser of an assembly could be maintained. But this is exactly the argument the Presbyterian Westminster Divines who wrote the Directory of Public Worship REJECTED!

      ‘Thus, it is not surprising that the Westminster Larger Catechism (which most Presbyterian office-bearers have sworn to uphold) positively forbids responsive readings:
      #156: Is the Word of God to be read by all?
      Although all are not to be permitted to read the word publicly to the congregation,¹ yet all sorts of people are bound to read it apart by themselves… ¹ Deut. 31:9,11-13; Neh. 8:2,3; Neh. 9:3-5

      The quibble that L.C. #156 only forbids lay persons from reading the Word to the congregation, and not the congregation responding in kind to the minister, cannot be sustained. The original intent of the Catechism is further known from the other Westminster documents and writings of the divines, including:
      The Westminster Form of Presbyterial Church Government, which (after giving scriptural and theological arguments) uses no such qualification, but says ‘that the public reading of the scriptures belongeth to the pastor’s office.’

      The Preface to The Westminster Directory for Public Worship (see below) makes it clear that the intent of the Assembly was to get rid of, in whole, all the responsive readings of the Roman and Anglican Churches, according to the Will of God in Scripture. Thus the Directory does not use the qualification of ‘to the congregation’, but limits the public reading of the Word to pastors and teachers because it is ‘part of the public worship of God’:

      ‘Reading of the Word in the congregation, being part of the public worship of God… is to be performed by the pastors and teachers.’
      See also the eight books that Westminster divines wrote against the Anglican service book, here: The Works of the Westminster Divines on Worship)
      It should also be noted that arguments for responsive readings (such as Rev. Shisko’s above) usually use Eph. 5:19 (‘speaking to yourselves in psalms, hymns, etc.’) as warrant for the congregation reading Scripture not simply to the minister, but to themselves, the congregation, which Larger Catechism #156 explicitly forbids.’

      Does your Church allow responsive readings of Scripture, or does your church maintain that the Bible excludes them?

      It would seem to be more in keeping with NT meetings or assemblies for a teacher, preacher, or shepherd/overseer to address the assembly. And any male member may have the ability to read Scripture aloud.

      What do you think?

      • Mr. Hollerman, You said:

        “It would seem to be more in keeping with NT meetings or assemblies for a teacher, preacher, or shepherd/overseer to address the assembly. And any male member may have the ability to read Scripture aloud.”

        But you didn’t answer my question. I didn’t ask WHO may publicly and orally ADDRESS the assembly, but does your church allow responsive readings of the Scripture (or any responsive recited prayers) in which the whole congregation repeats IN UNISON after the minister or some other male leader of the congregation leading them? And by the way, that Presbyterian source from which I quoted OPPOSES, on the grounds of the Regulative Principle of Worship, a so-called liturgical form of worship.

        And I also have another question. In the light of 1 Corinthians 14:34/35, is it the obligation of every church member who has committed a public sin to confess his sins publicly and orally in the public assembly of the church, or it is only obligatory on adult males?

        • Hello Juan…
          I can’t seem to read your reply and then offer my reply to it on the same screen here, so I have been reading yours and going to the “reply” section.

          First, I must say that I don’t find liturgy or anything like it in the NT. We must guard against allowing OT worship patterns or modern denominational practices to influence us.

          Since women are forbidden to speak in the assembly or teach over the man (1 Timothy 2:11-15; 1 Cor. 14:33-37) and only the men (the males) are to lead in prayer (1 Timothy 2:8), it would be keeping with this spirit to have the Christian men to read a confession of a woman if this is in order.

  8. I agree liberalism ia horrible. But after reading your hillary clinton article im not commenting on here. Your a sexist pig. Hillary deaeeved to lose because shes a bad person, not because shes a woman. Woman are equal to men. Musi isnt bad. America is not satan and we are in fact better than the muslim community because we give freedom. Its sad that their are close minded people like you in our world. Look me up in heaven someday, ill be there. Even with all my so called problems. You are the one whos been brain washed my friend by misunderstandings. This is why catholics dont know anything

    • I agree liberalism ia horrible. But after reading your hillary clinton article im not commenting on here. Your a sexist pig. Hillary deaeeved to lose because shes a bad person, not because shes a woman. Woman are equal to men.

      It is true that we don’t know if Hillary lost because she is a woman. REmember, most Americans don’t believe t6he Bible, thus there were generally other reasons why she lost the election.

      Musi isnt bad. America is not satan and we are in fact better than the muslim community because we give freedom.

      Freedom is good if people are willing to use that freedom in a responsible way. Most people don’t–including the Muslim and the professing “Christian.”

      Its sad that their are close minded people like you in our world. Look me up in heaven someday, ill be there. Even with all my so called problems.

      It would be nice if God were to take you to heaven. However, James, you have so many things to say against God and His Word and His will, how could you expect to go to a place where everyone is totally subservant to God and always does His will? Wouldn’t you be lost?

      You are the one whos been brain washed my friend by misunderstandings. This is why catholics dont know anything

      As you know, Catholics don’t follow the Bible but their human tradition. Jesus said for us to follow God and His will.

  9. whereas women are to be silent and not teach over the man.? You believe this crap. Thats messed up man!!! The bible is extremely old. Things change. All human are equal. Women are equal to men. They have every right a man has. You call yourself a christian. Your nothing but a phony. You think your living in gods word but you dont have a valid point. Its 2017. The worlds changed. The bible was written by men passed along for over 2,000 years now, some things will never be understood. I believe that god speaks to us. God is our soul the thing that tells us whats right and wrong. God wants us to dance and sing and for us all to have equal oppertunity. your beliefs disgust me. Men were once the head of the house hold all that time ago for the reasons such as men could hunt, gather and were strong while mothers were nuturing. Things have changed. You no longer need to be a man to suceed in providing for your family. You disgust me!!!

    • whereas women are to be silent and not teach over the man.? You believe this crap. Thats messed up man!!!

      Hello James…. Yes, that is what the Bible says and we must believe it. After all, God (our Creator) knows more than you and I do and should know how He made us.

      The bible is extremely old. Things change.

      The amazing thing about the Bible is that even though it is old (written between 3,400 and 2,000 years ago), it is still up-to-date and worthy of our belief and obedience.

      All human are equal. Women are equal to men. They have every right a man has.

      It is true that a woman is “equal” to a man in regard to intelligence, longevity, and such things. However, God has assigned different abilities and roles to the male and the female. Not only does Scripture but also experience bears this out (1 Corinthians 11:3).

      You call yourself a christian. Your nothing but a phony. You think your living in gods word but you dont have a valid point. Its 2017. The worlds changed. The bible was written by men passed along for over 2,000 years now, some things will never be understood. I believe that god speaks to us. God is our soul the thing that tells us whats right and wrong. God wants us to dance and sing and for us all to have equal oppertunity.

      James, it is true that most modern secular and humanistic people reject what the Bible says in regard to the roles of men and women and the submission that is upon the woman, but it is what God our Creator has revealed. He should know, don’t you think?

      your beliefs disgust me. Men were once the head of the house hold all that time ago for the reasons such as men could hunt,

      Again, it is true that man is the head of the marriage and the family (Ephesians 5:22-25, 33), but this doesn’t say that the woman is inferior. Just different.

  10. Also one more thing because i am curious what are the biblical principals of music as you mentioned in your response.

    • Hi James,

      I think that this is answered sufficiently in my previous reply to you. If not, let me know. I would also recommend that you type in “music” into the Search feature. There are several articles there.

  11. The more I look around the site the more questions i have. And the only conclusion i can come to is your stuck in the past. Music changes. The world has changed. A beat cant be evil. My favorite christian band wrote this inspiring song. The lyrics lift you up, you feel their struggle. It makes you know your not alone. To dismiss all music as evil is close minded and selfish. God gave these christian singers talent to spread his word. To get people excited about faith. The lyrics for this song by christian rock band skillet are
    Lyrics
    I’m at war with the world and they
    Try to pull me into the dark
    I struggle to find my faith
    As I’m slippin’ from your arms

    It’s getting harder to stay awake
    And my strength is fading fast
    You breathe into me at last

    I’m awake I’m alive
    Now I know what I believe inside
    Now it’s my time
    I’ll do what I want ’cause this is my life
    Here, right here
    Right now, right now
    Stand my ground and never back down
    I know what I believe inside
    I’m awake and I’m alive

    I’m at war with the world cause I
    Ain’t never gonna sell my soul
    I’ve already made up my mind
    No matter what I can’t be bought or sold

    When my faith is getting weak
    And I feel like giving in
    You breathe into me again

    I’m awake I’m alive
    Now I know what I believe inside
    Now it’s my time
    I’ll do what I want ’cause this is my life
    Here, right here
    Right now, right now
    Stand my ground and never back down
    I know what I believe inside
    I’m awake and I’m alive

    Waking up waking up
    Waking up waking up
    Waking up waking up
    Waking up waking up

    In the dark
    I can feel you in my sleep
    In your arms I feel you breathe into me
    Forever hold this heart that I will give to you
    Forever I will live for you

    I’m awake I’m alive
    Now I know what I believe inside
    Now it’s my time
    I’ll do what I want ’cause this is my life
    Here, right here
    Right now, right now
    Stand my ground and never back down
    I know what I believe inside
    I’m awake and I’m alive

    Waking up waking up
    Waking up waking up
    Waking up waking up
    Waking up waking up

    Those lyrics are inspiring and praising god. The music in the background creates soul. Tell me is it evil to watch television. Theres so much violence in television. But thats how the world works. Their are bad people out their. People will eventually get exposed to evil. Music and tv dont have control over us. Its how we react.

    • Greetings James…

      Thank you for writing again. First, it is true that the way of Christ is one that seeks to old paths of the Lord: “Thus says the LORD, ‘Stand by the ways and see and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and you shall find rest for your souls'” (Jeremiah 6:16). We are to seek and walk in the old paths, providing those paths are the ways of the Lord.

      As for modern worldly professing “Christian” singers and players, I do believe that you have a serious problem here, James. I don’t know about the lyrics (although I might also think that there is a problem there too), but the music (if one may call it that) is surely worldly and of the devil.

      I am glad that there was something there that may have aroused your appetite for spiritual things, but you should now go on beyond the worldly beat and find something that is more spiritual in nature.

      There are many reasons why you should change your listening preferences: (1) The singers and players and their own private lives. (2) The lyrics. (3) The medium–the worldly beat. (4) Probably other false practices, such as the so-called “sinner’s prayer.” (5) The early Christians evidently used vocal music rather than instrumental music. There are around 10 references to a cappella music and none to instrumental music in worship from Acts to Jude. (6) Often the religious world has women publicly singing, whereas women are to be silent and not teach over the man (1 Timothy 2:11-12; 1 Cor. 14:33-37).

      All of this should lead you to reject much of contemporary music–or what some may call music.

  12. Had to read your artical on the rock beat for school and its complete nonsense and garbage. Their are christian bands out their who play heavy metal that have brought me closer to faith! They are combining what they love most (god) with their passion(music)! Their is nothing wrong with the rock beat!

    • Hello James…

      I’m so glad that you wrote and expressed yourself. We wish to receive such comments even when they may differ from the articles that we carry.

      James, sadly, I do believe that you have been brainwashed by the modern worldly spirit that permits wicked contemporary music to influence our mind, our heart, and our behavior…

      Probably there is little that can convince you otherwise. I encourage you to type “rock” and “music” into the Search feature and you will find other articles that will help you to see the wrongfulness and sinfulness of rock music in all of its forms,along with other forms of worldly music.

      Consider: Would Jesus use or listen to modern rock music (even that which purports to be “Christian” in orientation)? We know the answer. Would the apostles? Does it violate one or more Biblical principles of good music?

      There are many other questions we could ask, but I do ask you to follow through and look up other articles on this form of worldly music. Remember, the fact that millions of professing “Christians” may listen to such “music” doesn’t settle the matter, since most of such people are on the “broad way” that leads to destruction. Surely you want to be on the “narrow way” that leads to life!

      May God bless you, my friend.

  13. Juan Jeanniton says:

    Concerning “Christian Worship and Women Singers”, the NT Greek word that Paul used in 1 Corinthians 14:34/35 used for *SPEAK* is *LALEIN* – since you at “Truediscipleship” contend that this verse does not apply to congregational SINGING in church, since singing is not the ordinary meaning of the word *LALEIN* (which only refers to using the NORMAL inflections of the voice), there is something you ought to know.

    The normal definition of SING is ‘to use the voice in a MUSICALLY MODULATED and TUNEFUL form of voice with intent to perform vocal music’ and the normal definition of SPEAK is ‘to use the voice in a NORMAL tone of voice’. If the act of women joining in AUDIBLY and VOCALLY in the CONGREGATIONAL singing can occur without resulting in any violation of 1 Corinthians 14:34/35, then the same is true for the act of women singing in the choir or singing solo: for the SAME vital life principle AND DETERMINING FACTOR that is found in women joining in AUDIBLY and VOCALLY in the CONGREGATIONAL singing is also an ESSENTIAL characteristic of the very CONCEPT of the act of women singing in the choir or singing solo. But this is the very same ESSENTIAL definitive property which would exempt congregational singing from the lawful jurisdiction of the precept governing the term LALEIN as used in 1 Corinthians 14:34/35: therefore why not just admit that for women to sing special music in church is no more an act of *LALEIN* (i.e. using the NORMAL inflections of the voice) in Church than is congregational singing, and that you have no more SPECIFIC authority to consider women singers of solos and special music a violation of this precept than congregational singing?

    • Hello Juan… Would it not be better to look at all of the words in 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 14 instead of focusing on the one Greek word that you mentioned?

      Women are to keep silent in the assembly (1 Corinthians 14:34). It is improper for a woman to speak in the assembly (v. 35). Women are to “receive” (not give) instruction and are to have “entire submissiveness” (1 Timothy 2:11). Women are not permitted to “teach” or “exercise authority” over a man, but are to “remain quiet” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). They are not to lead in prayer in the assembly (v. 8).

      Singing is one form of teaching (Colossians 3:16), thus women are not to sing in the form of teaching over others, other than simply following the lead of someone else in singing. Also, obviously, women may pray in the assembly, but should not lead such prayers, which is the domain of the believing men (1 Timothy 2:8).

      It would also be good to ask ourselves if there is any place for women solos or choirs, or if this happens to be elements of modern churches that are in apostasy. Sadly, we do many things today that should not be done.

  14. Hi,
    Am new here but am humbled with your understanding of the scriptures. There is one doctrine that I have differed with many preachers whom I call false teachers. The issue of of women being bishops, pastors and so forth. Can you elaborate on it because my understanding is women are not supposed to be ordained as bishops or pastors.. What is your take on it?

    • Hello Paul… I’m glad that you wrote and expressed your question about this matter of leadership in the body of Christ. Surely there is much confusion on this and many are in the dark on what Scriptures teach. In fact, it would seem that most religious people are nearly unconcerned about the Biblical teaching on this matter. Instead of repeating myself from other articles, you will find something here that I just put up today: http://truediscipleship.com/homosexual-woman-methodist-bishop/. Also, if you will type in “bishop” or “pastor” into the search engine, I think you will find several articles. If you don’t find what you need, write back, okay? May God bless you!

  15. Bruce Lindahl says:

    Hello Richard, its been awhile since I last contacted you. I just came across another article that disputes your exclusive definition of baptizo and thus part of your criticism of Lutherans etc.

    http://www.reformedonline.com/uploads/1/5/0/3/15030584/chapter_6_sacraments.pdf

    Joh_6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

    Mat 5:9  “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. 

    Let us be sons of God!

    • Hello Bruce… Thank you again for writing and sharing what you have found.

      I think that several factors would be of interest to you. First, virtually all modern lexicons point out the meaning of the Greek terms, baptizo, baptisma, baptismos. Second, early church history shows that immersion was practiced from the very beginning. The exception seems to be the Didache (about AD 120 or so), that makes allowance for profuse pouring if enough water is not present. Third, the circumstantial evidence is persuasive. In other words, both Jesus’ baptism and the Ethiopian’s baptism involved a going to the water, a baptism, and then a coming from the water. Fourth, picturing baptism as a burial or a birth both point to immersion rather than either pouring or sprinkling. I might add that even when infant baptism began to arise in the third century, we suppose that dipping was the rule.

      All of this, Bruce, is persuasive. I would consider it if I were you. Baptism is too important to allow for something that large numbers of evangelicals would doubt or deny.

  16. I hope in The Lord Jesus you and Moni are doing well.

  17. magdalena zaleska says:

    i have read little bit from your blog,i liked the honour how you speak about God,and that you want glorify Him,if could help with what i think,if you are interested in my opinion,it could be more simple pages,for me too much words, too much complicated,we should be more like for children,more focused on Him ,about who He is,so He woul be in the centre,i didnt find on your blog if you are confessing Lord Jesus Christ came in flesh,that is the basic,how can i recognize if you are truly from God,I dont know if this is possible to recognise trough internet,sorry for my English,i hope i didnt heart you with my opinion

    • Magdalena, I am so glad that you wrote and expressed your concerns. It is true that we must make our focus the Lord Jesus Christ, that He came in the flesh and is fully deity. He is our Savior, our Lord, and our King!

      As for the matter of making articles that are shorter or less complicated, I would agree that there should be some of these. I would understand that English is not your mother tongue, thus the articles may present a challenge to you. I wish it were different. On the other hand, probably many (even the majority) of our readers do have English as their regular language, thus the articles may be somewhat easier for them. We must serve them too.

      Magdalena, I appreciate so much your desire to honor God in the way you speak. I assume that you also want your life to reflect His glory and you want your life to be lived in obedience to His will. This is so good! I hope that you will be able to read through the articles (maybe slowly) and derive some good from them. God loves you and we do too. There probably is so much on the website that will be of help to you and I hope that you will be able to learn by this means. May God bless you abundantly!

  18. Hi brother Hollerman, just found your site. Well written; thank you.
    brother Mark O’Brien

  19. Shelly, I am still interested in replying to your email if you would like to contact me by email. May God bless you.

  20. I forgot to ask you if you believe in the Trinity. This is a very important question to me. Thankyou

    • Susan, although I shy away from using non-Biblical and theological terms at times, I do believe that Jesus Christ is “God” (theos) (John 1:1-3, 14, 18), the Spirit is “God” (Acts 5:3-4; Matthew 28:19), and the Father is God (1 Cor. 8:6).

  21. Dear Richard, This has been some very interesting and thought provoking reading. I like the respectful way you answer people.Also,the promptness of your replies. I’m glad I found your site. Susan

    • Good morning Susan… Thank you for your response. Whether someone is searching, or one agrees with us, or one disagrees with us, we must always seek to be loving and respectful, and sometimes forceful. See passages such as Colossians 4:5-6; 2 Timothy 2:24-26; Ephesians 4:29; and Titus 1:9-13. May God bless you in your continued study and searching, for God’s glory.

  22. Hi i just a have a questions about communion, my husband has recently start going to a Lutheran church (i truly don’t know much about this church) he goes to church every saturday evening and sundays to both services while they offer communion at all three services he was able to partake in all three is this right? He was also offered communion his first visit at the church is the right/normal? Do they have to take a class to become a member/baptized? It is my understanding that you should be baptized before having communion and also repenting of sins. And i was unaware that you could take it that often. Also a question about lutherans and crosses do they use this as part of their main “feature” lack of the right word right now sorry. But since my husband has been going there is collecting them and has them all over our room (i have since moved out of the room because it makes me uncomfortable like a shrine of sorts) Also while i am on here could you please pray for him he seems to not be understanding the word. I have prayed for 19 years for him to find the lord and since he has started going to this church ( i am not blaming the church more his understanding of the church and his readings) has become more angry he seems to have gotten worse has more “hatred for me and his children” if we question him or his church we insult him etc. He asks me why i don’t like his church and when i start stating some reasons he gets offended and pouts. He always says i read the whole Bible and where ever we go he walks around cocky making sure everyone notices he has the Bible on him and wears many crosses. He also has been going around blessing peoples crosses and then if they don’t respond how he feels they should he said they should not be wearing “his lords” cross. Sorry for the rambling there are many issues to him just asking for prayers and clerification on some beliefs. Thank you

    • Hello Shelly! Thank you so much for writing and explaining your situation. I am thinking that it might be better to respond to you by email (unless you definitely want me to respond on the website). If you would like this, I could write to you. Do you have a secure email address? Just let me know. Truediscipleship (at) integrity.com.

  23. I am delighted to see your post.

    I am a simple Christian and found encouragement in reading the words of a young man who searches Scripture.

    My brothers are members of ELCA and are main organizers of their gay-pride sunday participation. This is a profound sadness for me. It caused me to spend months at BibleHub seeking responses to the #LoveIsLove theology. My work continues.

    I would like you to meet Pastor Jyothi Benjamin on Facebook if you would like to see early Christianity in action.

    God Bless you

    • Thank you so much for writing, Kathryn. I can see why you are sad because of your brothers who are part of the Lutheran Church and yet are very pro-sodomite. Sadly, they would probably fit in with those in Sodom at the time of Lot’s stay there.

      I would encourage you to be strong in the Scriptures and do not be moved away from the high-sounding arguments that unbelieving and compromising people will put forth. In the case of your brothers, it would be good to establish Biblical authority with them and from that show them that many passages of the inspired Word condemns the sodomite practice and lifestyle. It should be troubling for them to realize that no sodomite (or homosexual) will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Hebrews 13:4).

      May God bless you! And, by the way, check out what we have written concerning the Lutheran Church. As you know, I left the Lutheran Church years ago. Richard

  24. Paul Bomberger says:

    Yes! You definitely have my permission to use any part, or my entire letter. I would ask you to correct sections in which I repeated words, & errors in grammar, & spelling.
    It seems to me that the main purpose for learning wisdom is to be prepared to pass it onto others, when a door of opportunity opens.
    Thank you for your dedication to plumbing the depths the original meanings, in order to teach true believers how to understand passages which seem unclear, &/or confusing. Few in number are serious Bible scholars. Of those who seek absolute truth, only a small % write physical books, or pamphlets, which generally go unread.
    Your website will reach millions of people, equipping them to be better prepared to defend their beliefs based on accurate understanding of scripture.
    It will also draw in non-believers in a non-threatening environment; a perfect example of becoming all things to all people, that by all means, some might be save.
    With Christ’s love, paul

    • Dear Paul,

      Thank you so much for your comments and your gracious spirit in answering. I also appreciate your permission to use your letter. Let us always seek the truth of God with all of our heart! Let us love Him, trust Him, serve Him, and obey Him with all we are and have!

  25. Paul Bomberger says:

    Richard,
    I began seriously studying the Bible in 1974. I struggled for many years trying to understand to understand the 1611 King James Translation; because the churches I belonged to during the first 5-6 years of my walk with Jesus.
    I tried to convince many people God speaks to each individual in a language they can understand. A friend of mine for more than 35 years ademently insists in KJV only. We’ve had hundreds of conversations during those years.
    Granted, he has spent 1,000s o hours studying KJV, & has much knowledge. Paraphrasing; “knowledge pufeth up, but charity edifieth.”
    Our debate one day became so heated that I angrily stated, “That is a doctrine straight from Hell!!”. Satan would love to have everyone believe that 1611 British English is the only accurate translation of God’s Word; knowing that the vast majority could not correctly understand what they read.
    The apostle Paul explained his approach to witnessing & teaching to a variety of people: Jews, Romans, & so on. I Cor. 9:20-23 is a key statement to buttress defenses of valid modern translations, & contemporary Christian music.
    There are antithetical translations which should ignored, & so-called contemporary Christian music which violates Truth.
    I Cor. 19-22: (NAS) 19 “For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, that I might win the more. 20 And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win the Jews; to those under the Law, as under the Law, though not being myself under the Law, that I might win those who are under the law;
    21 to those who are without law, as without the law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, that I might win those win those who are without the law.
    22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some.”
    This section of scripture speaks to many contentious issues including, but not limited to, translations, songs & music used in serving Jesus, what to wear, keeping in mind modesty, & eschewing clothes which might tempt others to lust, as well as a plethora of other aspects of living our lives in a manner of obedience to God’s Word. In this way we are a pleasing fragrance to God, being true servants which brings Jesus joy.

    • Paul, thank you for writing about such an important issue. It would seem that you have arrived at a solid and Scriptural foundation for your belief that one can use a modern version, providing that it is accurate and true. I wholeheartedly agree.
      May I have your permission to use your letter? I think that I could use parts or the whole letter in the Questions Answered section. Would you grant such permission? In this way, I can comment much more extensively.
      Thank you. –Richard

  26. David Agbosu says:

    Thank you for the great work you are doing. God bless you.

    I would like to know why does the righteous suffer? Why does God allow suffering on the righteous ?

    • David, this is an excellent question and God does reveal something about this–although not as much as we might want.

      For the Christian, God sometimes wants to refine us, teach us, and help us to grow spiritually. This might also lead us away from sinful attitudes and behavior. You might want to read Hebrews 12:7-11 and 2 Corinthians 12:7-10.

      Second, God can help us to become more empathetic with the sorrows and pain of others.2 Corinthians 1:3-6.

      Third, following Jesus the Lord may sometimes bring suffering, rejection, and hardship. Thus, it serves as a reminder of our discipleship to Christ. (See 2 Timothy 3:12.)

      Fourth, we also know that unbelievers suffer in many ways. When it happens that a Muslim, a Hindu, a Buddhist, a Jewish person, a Catholic, or others experience pain, it could be God mercifully reaching out to that person to draw him or her to Himself through Christ Jesus.

      I hope that you will find that other articles on this website will help you further. May God bless you, David.

  27. So I typed in “is music evil” and the first hit was true discipleship . Com
    Read ALL about how the “rock beat” was evil. This had the claim that there was scripture backing this up…sadly there was not. Anyways, the claim is that a repetitious off beat is bad. It made the point that beat theory and syncopation was not understandable for animals so it must be bad for humans. Anyways, Gods original design for me was perfect. Perfect! I absolutely Love him for this. One of the many gifts he has given me is rhythm. He gave me a heart beat that I can always feel. Because there is a second chamber for the heart if you listen closely, it will sound like two separate beats, a ” repetitious Off beat ” built inside me. Why would he give that to every single human that has every existed and will ever exist and even to his own Son if it was a bad thing?

    • Hello Ted…

      I’m glad that you wrote your message about the evils of rock music. There are many reasons why rock, as well as many other kinds of music (hip hop, country, etc.), would be objectionable to God and the way of holiness.

      It has been an objection to worldly music with the use of three “M’s” and this would be: (1) The Message. Of course, secular music would be objectionable because it is filled with sex, rebellion, drugs, etc. And much “Christian” music would be a problem because of the content being questionable (see below); (2) The Messengers. In other words, the singers and instrumentalists. Most are living religious but worldly lives, thus they are unfit as role models. Or the singers might be women, and Scripture says that a woman is not to teach or exercise authority over the man–but to remain quiet (1 Timothy 2:11-12; 1 Cor. 14:33-37). (3) The Music. And this is where you come in.

      If I am understanding you, regardless of the other objectionable parts, you think that the music itself is permissible. Ted, this makes me wonder if you might have been “braidwashed” by former listening to worldly secular rock music. Was this so?

      As you grow in your appreciation of the Christian lifestyle, the Christian worldview, the Christian view of entertainment and worship, and like elements, you will come to see that the loud, pounding beat, the wild expressions, the drums and guitars, are all of the world in regard to so-called “Christian” music.

      Another thing for you to consider is this: Is there a reason why the New Testament refers to a cappella (without instrumentation) Christian music maybe 7 or 8 times, whereas there is no reference to any instruments at all? Most commentators and students of music and history, point out that the early Christians, for many hundreds of years, refused to use instruments of music with their singing. I think that if this was adopted today, your own objections and the objections of many other people would be removed.

      Please think and pray about this. May God bless you!

  28. I hope that you will check out the 1,700 different articles available on the website, Truediscipleship.com. I don’t know exactly what you are seeking, but there must be something of interest and value on the site for you. May God bless you in your quest.

  29. I wish that I could recommend other blog sites, but at present I cannot. I don’t follow them myself, thus I don’t have firsthand information on what is available. There surely must be many good ones–in the midst of millions of bad and unscriptural ones. I hope that you will check out the 1,700 different articles we do have on TrueDiscipleship.com. May God bless you!

  30. joseph onyango says:

    Richarc you discovered truly tha my message wasnot complete but half way. True am try to tell you that as far as i have read your articles i come to learn that if what what your aregiving us hre inthe web could have reached many many peole i think there could be a great change in peoples lives. Justimagine majority do not visit websites and majority do not vist cybercafes for they they have no knowledge on them.
    Africa we have so many denominations that pastors have no formal traing in biblical studies and the have anumber of beievers who trusted whatthey prach and in the real sence they are Apostate churhes.In my country alone so many false preachers arenmberless i can not count. They preach no tuth at all . Reason they have changedthe gospel to thir benet and decieved believers even in the case of Baptism.
    Richacrd i will send you some copies of the recnent published Newspaper and you will be shocked to see how thegospel is ruined and people still folow without realising the thedefects.That is why am requesting you please God has blessed you with something which if you can disseminate to Africa i believe some will be saved. You know Bible Schools are vey expensive and thats why most pastors cannot afford to pay so they draw and claim that they preaching with power of the spirit in real ense not true.
    Richard what i learned in Bible school acording to you God has gifted you.
    You take onWomen Pastors i agree with you for that is how we taught. Butin country we lots of Women Pastors and this gospel of Women Ordination is contraversial they have already done aay with this book Icor 14;34-47.
    But Gods word cannot change the world can do but Not God.
    Please I believe thereis nothing imposible with God Lk1;37 one day God will send you to Africa and Help thes Pastors

    • Joseph, I am very glad and highly privileged to receive your thoughtful and true comments. I can see that you have been unwilling to accept anything that some preacher tells you, but you want to discover whether what people say is based on the Word of God. This is so important!
      One reason it is important is that the Bible is God’s Word, and it is inspired of the Holy Spirit (2 Timothy 3:16-17), and it brings us to salvation (v. 15).
      Another reason is that it will judge us on the Last Day, the Day of Judgment. Jesus said this at John 12:48.
      Joseph, as you know, all false doctrines and false ways and false practices must be judged by the Word of the Living God. Regardless of how many preachers, teachers, pastors, priests, or so-called prophets may promote something, we still must go back to what God has said. All traditions must fall in light of God’s truth contained in His written Word. Jesus said to people in His day, “Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men” (Mark 7:8; see also vv.9-13).
      Joseph, you mentioned certain false teachings, such as women preachers and pastors, as well as infant baptism (actually sprinkling or pouring). Yes, both of these false practices and must be rejected, according to God’s will. But there are many more!
      I hope that you continue to search the TrueDiscipleship.com website and look for more information that may help you and others whom you may know.
      May God bless you richly, Joseph.
      –Richard

    • Joseph, I am very glad and highly privileged to receive your thoughtful and true comments. I can see that you have been unwilling to accept anything that some preacher tells you, but you want to discover whether what people say is based on the Word of God. This is so important!
      One reason it is important is that the Bible is God’s Word, and it is inspired of the Holy Spirit (2 Timothy 3:16-17), and it brings us to salvation (v. 15).
      Another reason is that it will judge us on the Last Day, the Day of Judgment. Jesus said this at John 12:48.
      Joseph, as you know, all false doctrines and false ways and false practices must be judged by the Word of the Living God. Regardless of how many preachers, teachers, pastors, priests, or so-called prophets may promote something, we still must go back to what God has said. All traditions must fall in light of God’s truth contained in His written Word. Jesus said to people in His day, “Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men” (Mark 7:8; see also vv.9-13).
      Joseph, you mentioned certain false teachings, such as women preachers and pastors, as well as infant baptism (actually sprinkling or pouring). Yes, both of these false practices and must be rejected, according to God’s will. But there are many more!
      I hope that you continue to search the TrueDiscipleship.com website and look for more information that may help you and others whom you may know.
      May God bless you richly, Joseph.
      –Richard

  31. joseph onyango says:

    Richard
    So interesting and inspirational your articlesinthis web . I do nnot want stop but time. Now am coming to my senses that am still a babe in Biblical studies am proud that am now learning more and isuppose that you could have establish a theological school in Kenya. Surely i can see a light through the t unnel, God is Good

    • Joseph, it seems that your message was cut off somewhat, but we do thank you for responding to the True Discipleship website. We want to be helpful and truthful in everything that is put up for people to read. Paul says that Scripture is meant to lead us to salvation (2 Timothy 3:15), and also meant to be useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness (vv. 16-17). This too is the purpose that we would use Scripture in the many articles. We want to be a blessing to all of the readers, wherever they may be. May you be blessed as you read each article and consider it in light of God’s infallible Word.

    • Joseph, it seems that your message was cut off somewhat, but we do thank you for responding to the True Discipleship website. We want to be helpful and truthful in everything that is put up for people to read. Paul says that Scripture is meant to lead us to salvation (2 Timothy 3:15), and also meant to be useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness (vv. 16-17). This too is the purpose that we would use Scripture in the many articles. We want to be a blessing to all of the readers, wherever they may be. May you be blessed as you read each article and consider it in light of God’s infallible Word.

  32. joseph onyango says:

    Richard
    Now am understanding your articles well since youtold me look for such .really i find the truth is here may God keep it up and moere and more . Very inspirational indeed

    • Thank you again for writing, Joseph. I am glad that you are finding value in the True Discipleship articles you have checked. There are many hundreds of them, so there are many more for you to read and consider. May God bless you in your reading and study, and may He give you the opportunity to understand and obey whatever you read that is in accordance with God’s will.

  33. P.s. Hard to read your blog becuz print too small.
    Ominous should be coming (have to figure out how to take off auto spell check).

    • Greetings,
      Thanks for you comment. I work on the technical aspects of of the site. Richard has been telling me the font size should be increased but I haven’t found an issue. I have viewed the site from smart phones, tablets, various versions of windows pcs and everything seems fine. You have been the first to make mention that the size is too small (other than Richard).

      I did increase the font size 1 pixel. Let me know what you think, and again thanks for your comments.

      Tony

  34. Ri hard: Having come out of a very legalist movement (won’t consider them a church) nothing but guilt, condemnation, criticism, and belittling not to mention all the lies to keep the sheeple sick, in bondage and. Ominous back for more. Re: “Christian Worship and Women Singers”: Research matters now: Have you read “10 Lies The Church Tells Women and Lies Men Believe by J. Lee Grady (talk with him) and When Women Were Priest by Karen Jo Torjesen, Rethinking Women in Ministry-Beyond Evangelical -Frank Viola (4-17-2012 essay). What about that wonderful book about “All Women in the Bible”. What about book: Pagan Christianity (green cover) by Frank Viola all the Lies/ Dogma that Church Leadership has served up. Have not read “Women in the Church: A Biblical Theology of Women in Ministry by Stanley Grenz/Denise Kjesbo”.

    Reasearch a matter: abused by name of church/abused by name of pastor
    Controversial articles name of church/controversial articles name of pastor
    People’s negative feedback name of church/people’s negative feedback name of pastor
    Scandal name of church/scandal name of pastor.
    That’s how found your website by researching Jackie Alnor’s 2003 article on Joel Osteen. By the way, David Wilkerson wrote “Troublemakers In the Church” 6/2007 (previous 1988) based on one woman and he was praying for armies of troublemakers in general. My personal favorite holy guys are Leonard Ravenhill (why revival Tarries, America is too young to die, sodom had no bible, tried and transfigured) and Arthur Katz (Apostolic Foundations, Reality-The Hope of Glory, Prophetic Call, Spirit of Truth). Paul in the Bible said he kept the traditions of men.
    Can give you scores of books on church abuse/lies like: Don’t Call Me Brother by Austin Miles, Losing My Religion by Wm Lobdell, Toxic Faith by Arterburn, Blue Print by Clifford James, Salvation for Sale by Straub, Marjoe Documentary, DVD-Lord, Save Us From Your Followers, Accidental Saints by weber, Cages of Pain by Gordon Aeschliman, Christian Brainwashing by D i c k Sutphen to name just drop in the bucket.
    P.s. I do not want to be added to any type of daily or mailing list. Tks.

    • Greetings Mrs. Schwartz. I’m so glad that you wrote and explained yourself. I see that you are widely read and have done a lot of research. I have some of the same books that you have mentioned or recommended. Of course, some (not all) of them recommend home groups and getting away from institutional churches and denominations, and I can Amen that. Some are Pentecostal and Wesleyan in background, and I do try to learn what I can whatever background a person is from. I find that I can learn something from even false teachers and preachers, some of which you have mentioned.
      Mrs. Schwartz (sorry that I didn’t pick up your name), I can see that you must have left what you considered legalism, but I just wonder what you mean by that label? As you know, that word can be thrown around to mean different things, some of which is good and some bad. So we must be sure we are renouncing what God has renounced. On the other hand, some have left what they thought was “legalism” when in reality they were rebelling against God’s own Word.
      There are some signs that you have fallen into a false liberalism that rejects Biblical standards. And remember that the restrictions on women speaking in the meetings and leading (as in 1 Cor. 14:33-37) are actually “the Lord’s commands” rather than Paul’s views (v. 37). I guess you are familiar with the fact that there were no female elders, preachers, deacons, overseers, or apostles in the early community of Christ (I assume you know the Biblical passages on this). This is what makes me reject the modern “evangelical” (?) feminism that opens the door to women’s public participation. I know that this doesn’t sit well with the ones who would throw off all restraint and fall into modern society, but the way of Christ and the apostles has always been counter-cultural.
      Mrs. Schwartz, I hope you will consider these things carefully. May God bless you.

  35. Richard, The following web site articles are among many that put up a defense of infant Baptism. I happen to believe that they make sense and do not defy scripture.

    http://www.risensaviorlcms.org/brochures/Why_Infant_Baptism.pdf
    http://www.prca.org/articles/infant_baptism.html

    In any case we know: Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

    Peace!

  36. Richard, In case you can’t find the Fairfield document I referred to it can be found at:

    http://truthinheart.com/EarlyOberlinCD/CD/Doctrine/Baptism.htm

    This is not the paraphrased version I mentioned in my note. As regards to what I believe about this topic — I currently concur with Fairfield and Cliff Bjork ( who by the way was also at one time a Baptist pastor). However I don’t always agree with denomination of the congregation I currently am a member of (LCMS) and left the church of my youth because of their false teachings and practices (ELCA).
    I’m trying to convince our congregational leadership to go to an every week (or more) Holy Communion schedule. In searching the internet for more info on that subject I came across your site.

    Blessings,
    Bruce

    • Thank you again, Bruce. I appreciate your writing and the additional information. I can look up the article on the internet that you are directing me to and also find the book you mentioned through Interlibrary Loan. I don’t know if you have ever seen or read the book by T. J. Conant entitled “The Meaning and Use of Baptizein.” It is worth checking out.
      Bruce, I understand that you left the liberal Evangelical Lutherans and are now with the Missouri Synod Lutherans; is this correct? And do you not find various false teachings there as well–such as baby baptism, baptismal regeneration, denominationalism, and a host of other elements?
      Further, regarding baptism, does it not concern you that the vast majority of Greek lexicons, Bible dictionaries, Bible encyclopedias, and early church history books, define baptism as immersion and say that the early church for centuries practiced immersion (except for so-called “clinic” baptism)?
      Well, thank you again for writing and I’ll check out what you are recommending.

  37. Have you read the book “Letters on Baptism” by Edmund B. Fairfield D.D. etc? At the time he started his study on Baptism he was a prominent and solid Baptist and had set out to defend the Baptist viewpoint. His exhaustive study caused him to conclude that the Greek word baptizo cannot mean exclusively “to immerse” as Baptists adamantly insist. As a result of his study hw found it impossible to remain a minister of the Gospel in any Baptist denomination. This book was originally published in 1893 but an easier to read edited and paraphrased version has been published and distributed by Cliff Bjork — Word of Life Fellowship, 366 Bench Street, PO Box 295 Taylor Falls MN 55084, tele: 651-465-7373.

    • Thank you, Bruce, for the information. I would like to check into this. If there is anything that can refine my understanding of God’s Word and Will, I would seek it. After many years of study, at present, my understanding would be: (1) The Greek word at the time of the NT, was that baptizo does mean to immerse, sink, overwhelm, submerge, or dip. (2) History seems to say that in the first, second, and third centuries, baptism continued to be immersion, except for the case of the Didache (where one could pour water profusely if there was insufficient water); (the early “church fathers” unanimously referred to baptism as a birth, a resurrection, an immersion. The exception would be a “clinic” (or deathbed) conversion where profuse pouring was permitted. But perhaps Fairfield has some further information. Thank you, Bruce. P.S. I should ask just what your view is.

  38. Norris, thank you for posting this comment. It is a significant verse. However, do you care to share with us how you think this should be applied? Thank you.

  39. For this perfume might have been sold for over three hundred denarii, and the money given to the poor. And they were scolding her.

  40. Jeffrey, again it is so good that you are writing and sharing the account of your life–your past 60 years. Now, I suggest that we transfer our conversation to the Blog section of this site. I’ll continue there. Just click Blog (as you did a day or two ago) and you’ll find me there!

  41. Thank you Richard for taking time out of your busy day. I live near Cleveland, Oh. I have read many many articles on your site and even the one regarding the Church of Christ. My parents were both members. I have never been baptised however I realize its importance. When I search this church it comes up as a “cult” because they are the only true church, baptism regeneration, not affialiating with other christians and much more. I may start there just because I believe allot of their basic doctrine are similar to the true church. Last year I turned sixty and on my birthday I asked God to help me have eternal life! It was the first time I prayed in my life. About a month later I started searching scripture on the gospel. I am consumed every nite and can’t to get home to start reading. I really am a little lost on what is the true way to salvation. I know it is so much more than just believing but faith is the first step. Thank you

  42. Greetings Jeffery…. I’m so glad that you chose to respond with such an important but difficult question. If you and I were sitting at a table and we could discuss what is on your heart, I would share a few things.

    First, it is so good that you do seem to have a respect for God and His Word. Both of these are important–even essential. God is the very reason why we are here and He is the basis for our existence. We are to love and trust and obey Him. Second, God loved us so much that He freely gave His beloved Son–who came to this land of sin in order to become our Savior by dying on the cross for our sins, then God raised Jesus from the dead that He might be our living Lord.

    Second, it is also good that you see a need in your life so that you understand that you must do something to respond to God and receive His forgiveness and reconciliation with Him.
    Third, it is also good that you think in terms of fellowship with others who have come to God through Christ. And, as you can see, the denominational “churchianity” way is not the way to go. Jesus is the only way and we should be with others who have come to know the Lord.

    Jeffrey, obviously we can’t settle these weighty matters here but I would recommend that you search the website thoroughly and you will find many dozens of articles that will help you, encourage you, and instruct you how to take you from where you now are to where God wants you to be.

    Use the “Search” feature (at the upper right) on the home page, and look for
    Are You Truly a Christian?” Also check for “Shipwreck to Salvation.” There is another one entitled “Christians Only?” Then there is one entitled, “Living for the Lord in a Wicked World.” As you proceed further in your quest, you may want to check this one: “Come Out, and Come Together!”

    These are some suggestions, but there are many more there for you to read. (Presently, there are about 1,750 different articles.) By the way, where are you located? Go ahead and read the ones suggested and continue to search important subjects in the various categories of articles. Keep me informed on how you are doing. –Richard

  43. Jeffery Wright says:

    Richard

    I thoroughly enjoy your website. I want to become a Christian and I am looking for a church that practices and lives God’s word. Can you recommend one? I am leaning towards a nondenominational church.

  44. Greetings in Christ!

    I recently discovered your site in my search for what I would call biblical and apostolic Christianity. I believe I will frequently visit it.

    I am a Lutheran bishop in my 60’s who at this stage in my life and ministry am discovering some rather challenging and refreshing truths our of the pages of the New Testament.

    Please pray for me and my wife Carmen as we move along this journey.

    • Hello Juan,

      I’m so glad that you discovered our True Discipleship website. We had it for about 16 years but only a few months ago began a long process of reformatting things into a brand new site. I hope it will prove to be usable for you!

      I’m interested in what you say about your religious background. You do appear to be a sincere and seeking man, with plenty of experience, and a wholesome trust in God’s Word. I remember what Yahweh God said, as recorded at Isaiah 66:2b: “To this one I will look, to him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word.”

      From what you say, you are one who “trembles” at God’s Word and want to approach it with an open heart and seeking mind. May God be praised! I hope that you continue to search the website (there are about 1,750 different articles) and examine many of the titles that you will find profitable.

      May the Lord bless you and please feel free to write whenever you can!

      Richard

  45. Thank you for your site. I am studying much of the same topics that you are writing about, so I find it very interesting. I have only look at a few of your articles and I have made the same conclusions that you have written.

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